Mafia 42 - Game Thread - Day 4

Norwee · 2020-02-21 10:15:35

Crybaby i think you should target either 2B or Onjit. Buzz seems town to me. Also it's best to narrow the pool of VT But ultimately it's up to you.

Minimania

Norwee · 2020-02-21 10:50:27

We do not need anymore claims. Only scum would want that at this point. Please tell me what benefit it is to town to continue claims when there is a confirmed scum between the two of us right now.

Norwee · 2020-02-21 10:53:06

Why would town!you even claim at this point. There was absolutely no benefit to town. You should have claimed fake claimed VT if you really were a veteran here. But you aren't.

Norwee · 2020-02-21 10:58:36

A town Veteran in your position would have fake claimed VT to ensure scum might target him and suicide. But you just went ahead and claimed it. What you should have done when i counterclaimed you is explain why i am lying and why it's reasonable to assume you are the true veteran from your perspective. But you didn't. You haven't even tried defending yourself against my actually valid points that prove with a reasonable degree of certainty that you are in fact mafia.

Norwee · 2020-02-21 11:12:47

Kira wrote:

NorwegianboyEE wrote:
A town Veteran in your position would have fake claimed VT to ensure scum might target him and suicide. But you just went ahead and claimed it. What you should have done when i counterclaimed you is explain why i am lying and why it's reasonable to assume you are the true veteran from your perspective. But you didn't. You haven't even tried defending yourself against my actually valid points that prove with a reasonable degree of certainty that you are in fact mafia.
Town, keep claiming and trust me. I claimed veteran for a reason

To out the town veteran.

Norwee · 2020-02-21 11:15:02

If you are another town role fake claiming veteran then it is ridicolous to assume the real veteran wouldn't counter claim you. Where is the town motivation in your claim?

Norwee · 2020-02-21 11:34:49

Explain your own motivation. Don't try to push the responsibility on to me.

Norwee · 2020-02-21 11:38:38

Am i fake claiming? Are you fake claiming? Are we both fake claiming? Are you the real Veteran? Am i the real veteran?
I expect you to have a clear sense of meaning, but all i see from your posts are weak attempts at deflection.

Norwee · 2020-02-21 12:19:55

Kira wrote:

I'm Doctor
Go counterclaim me now

At first you double down on the notion that i am fake claiming veteran as evidenced by this:

Kira wrote:

You're not veteran either.

But now you're backpedaling the claim and saying you're the doctor?

Norwee · 2020-02-21 12:21:57

I'm not buying that you as a doctor would play so risky. You yourself said the doctor needs to play carefully. This is all ****.

Kira wrote:

5 unique town roles, and you're not playing like a Veteran/Doctor should be playing.

Onjit

Norwee · 2020-02-21 12:23:21

Onjit wrote:

Onjit wrote:
if kira flips mafia, we get everyone else to claim tomorrow
typo

If he flips veteran you can all lynch me, but i guarantee he won't.

Norwee · 2020-02-21 12:38:03

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

If Kira is really a Doctor, I think the reason he claimed Veteran is to hide his identity as a Doctor. Doctor is an important role, so he might need to make sure that mafia will not attack him. Therefore claimed Veteran.

If Kira really did this. Why did he suggest i was not the real veteran when i initially counterclaimed him. Where is the scum motivation in me seeing a town!Kira claim Vet and then immediately counterclaim him? I think he tried to frame me as scum, realized it didn't work. Then changed his story to being a doctor.

Onjit, BuzzerBee

Norwee · 2020-02-21 12:55:12

I don't understand why Kira assumes the real veteran would believe he has good intentions behind his fake claim. There is a very high possibility the veteran will think "oh, mafia is fake claiming vet" and thus they counter claim because they see it as the right thing to do.

2b55b5g, BuzzerBee, Onjit, peace

Norwee · 2020-02-21 13:00:56

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

So you guys are saying that mafia is sacrificing one member to fish out roles? I guess it makes sense since it actually would be easy win for mafia once that’s done.

Yes that's exactly it.

Norwee · 2020-02-21 13:06:23

BuzzerBee wrote:

Wait can mafia communicate in the day time too? Or only at night?

I'd assume they have daychat, since that is largely the norm on this forum. Unless it is specified in the rules that they do not.

Norwee · 2020-02-21 13:15:29

I looked at the role list. Mafia is confirmed to have 1 goon, 1 godfather and 1 framer.
Since godfather and Framer are important roles for scum to have, it is reasonable to assume Kira is the goon.
The sheriff should not announce who he'll be targeting tonight since the framer can target that same person if town and make them falsely reveal as mafia.
Godfather will investigate as town, so anyone cleared by investigations are not 100% likely to not be mafia.

Norwee · 2020-02-21 13:16:56

Thank you Kira, very cool!

Norwee · 2020-02-21 13:19:06

!Unvote

Is Kira hammered? I don't want to end the day yet.

Norwee · 2020-02-21 13:24:00

1. Buzzerbee Claims VT
2. Crybaby Sheriff
3. 2B Claims VT
4. Kira Mafia Goon/Godfather?
5. Onjit Claims VT
6. NorBoy Veteran
7. Peace Unknown
8. Shadow Unknown
9. Kirby Unknown
10. Diff55 Unknown
11. pqwerty Unknown

With one mafia dead there will be 2 scum, 1 SK and 7 townies for the night.
There is a chance SK targets mafia or mafia targets SK. Or doctor heals someone from a kill. But assuming worst case scenario with 2 townies dead, there will be 5 townies vs 2 scum and 1 SK for the next day. So the game definitely isn't lost. That is scum propaganda.

Onjit, Minimania

Norwee · 2020-02-21 13:26:27

Pretty sure he's not hammered. Takes 6 to lynch. Now is a good opportunity to go back through the game to find Kiras teammates.

2b55b5g

Norwee · 2020-02-21 13:30:22

▼Hidden text

Kira wrote:

There are 3 Mafias, 1 Framer
There is 1 Serial Killer
There are 5 Townies, 1 Doctor, 1 Sheriff, 1 Roleblocker and 1 Veteran
So far obviously, It's Day 1. Nothing factual happened, but we can start planning things out and post reads. I will do a case by case analysis and plan things out, because town needs to be organized. A single death would be really bad for us so doing this is primordial.
Reads:
Buzzerbee: Insta voted for Pqwerty, doesn't take the game seriously for now (Day 1 excuse). Mafia lean.
Crybaby: Inactive.
2B TNG: Nothing to read, seems to play pretty passive and posts logical comments favoring town. Town lean.
Onjit: Takes Day 1 seriously for once, is playing the game with the same mindset as myself. Town lean.
Norwegianboy: Sarcastic posts, double votes. Nowegianboy tends to be aggressive day 1 but usually puts substance in his reasoning as to why he voted someone. Mafia/SK lean.
Peace: Peace is completely unpredictable and "It's obvious when Peace is mafia/town" doesn't apply to him anymore. Neutral.
Shadowsedge: Sarcastic post, and joking, plays differently than the usual. Mafia/SK lean
Kirby: Inactive.
Different55: Plays similarely as when he was Mafia, speaks the obvious and sits back. Mafia lean.
Pqwerty: Has been voted for no reason, shows a desire to plan things out for town. Town lean.
Plan for Day 1:
We unfortunately cannot afford to play passive, we have to take a decision on who to lynch. Make sure to pay attention on the players that easily hops on wagon without providing any substance to the lynch and the inactive/passive players during the day and let's come to a consensus last 24 hours. If you are town play the game seriously and watch how Buzzerbee/Norwegianboy/Shadowsedge/Different55 plays after this post.
Plan for Night 1:
We have to make full use of the PRs here.
Sheriff: Unless someone turns out to be "suspicious" never assume that your target is fully innocent. if your target turns out to be "suspicious" you should claim it Day 2.
Doctor: Follow your guts and protect who you think will be targetted Night 1. Mafia will think of 2 targets: take a risk and try to kill an influencer or go for a safe kill (inactive player for instance). Cross your fingers that you don't protect the Veteran.
Roleblocker: You should roleblock Buzzerbee/Norwegianboy/Shadowsedge/Different55.
Veteran: You are our most powerful tool than could change the tides of the game. Do not make yourself suspicious on purpose. Instead, act as innocent as you could be and do not influence the game. Go on alert every single night.

This post is of interest. 2b voted it. And has been agreeing with/defending Kira at some points.

Onjit

Norwee · 2020-02-21 13:33:34

Anyway i'll make a more comprehensive reads list addressing earlier points in the game later.
There should still be 1 and a half day left if i'm not wrong?

Norwee · 2020-02-21 13:37:23

Anyway, Kira scum claimed. So any posts of his from the future are likely going to be laced with deception and WIFOM. So just try to ignore his content from this point on. We’ll lynch him soon enough.

Kira

Norwee · 2020-02-21 15:25:30

mrjawapa wrote:

If the Godfather is killed, you will become the new Godfather.

@Jawapa
If we lynch the godfather now. Does framer retain the ability to frame people when he turns into a godfather? Or Will he lose the ability going into this night?

Norwee · 2020-02-21 16:01:01

So assuming Kira didn't lie about being godfather it means any "guilty" result the sheriff receives tonight must be accurate. However a town result can be wrong if it's targeting the new godfather.

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