Mafia 39 GAME OVER [MAFIA WIN]

Norwee · 2020-01-07 11:08:49

- Mafia 39 -

Setup link:
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=NewD3

Possible setups:

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Alive players:
- ShadowsEdge Vanilla Townie (Survived, but lost)
- Processor Mafia Rolecop (victorious)

Dead players:
- 2B55B5G TNG Vanilla Townie. Lynched day 1
- Peace/Andymakeer Town tracker. Killed night 1
- Kira Mafia Goon. Lynched day 2 but won posthumously
- Onjit Vanilla Townie. Killed night 2
- HugoTse Vanilla Townie. Modkilled day 3
- MrJawapa Vanilla Townie. Lynched day 3
- Crybaby Town Doctor. Killed Night 3

The setup was B3 and the mafia won the game.

Rules:
- 1 ingame day lasts for 5 IRL days. 1 night lasts 1 IRL day.
- I will count any visible votes. But i'd prefer it if you used the (h) tag to make my life easier. Valid commands: "!Vote <player>" "!Unvote" "!Endday"
- Self-votes are counted and you can use it as a strategy, but don't gamethrow. Play to win.
- Don't be toxic, rude, use personal attacks.
- This is my colour. Don't use it to impersonate me.
- Be active. If you are busy in real life, try to make at least one useful post per day. Or place your vote. If you lack passion or motivation to play the game, consider replacing out.
- Do not talk about the game outside of this thread or given PT's, discussing the game on discord or private messages with other players is not allowed and is against the spirit of the game.
- A lynch occurs when a majority of votes has been reached, if the deadline is reached before a lynch happens, the day will end with no lynch.
- Talking is allowed during twilight. Players nominated for lynch may talk until the moderator has announced their death. Once you are dead, you are not allowed to talk in the thread until the moderator has ended the game.
- Users not in the game are not allowed to post here.
- Please submit all night actions if you have them, via your role pm. If you have a night action and do not submit one, you will not take an action.
- I will prod players who have not posted for an extended period. If prodded, you must post within 24 hours to avoid replacement.
Requiring repeated prods, or excessive prodging, will result in replacement.
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Andymakeer · 2020-01-07 11:38:52

so, if there is a neighbor, does it make sense for him to roleclaim already?

Andymakeer · 2020-01-07 16:19:33

mrjawapa wrote:

Andymakeer wrote:
so, if there is a neighbor, does it make sense for him to roleclaim already?
No. You're scum.

my defense:
- if i were scum, i'd risky for me to ask for the TFN to roleclaim
- asking for someone to roleclaim on D1 is suspicious, not to doubt of me being mafia, but enough for a Tracker/Jailkeeper to use their N1 actions on me
- if a Tracker targets me on N1 and finds out i used my action on the N1 victim, it'd game over for mafia

my questioning:
- assuming someone a scum without any info from anybody can only occurs on 2 possible scenarios:
> Jawapa is scum, so he'd know im town, and is trying to lynch me
> We are BOTH NOT scum, so we dont know each other factions

i already assumed im town, so i dont have another choice:

!vote jawapa

Andymakeer · 2020-01-07 17:38:15

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

What is a Town Friendly Neighbor btw

targets someone at night
the target will know that you are town, confirmed by the host

Andymakeer · 2020-01-07 22:36:56

Kira wrote:

Andymakeer wrote:
mrjawapa wrote:
Andymakeer wrote:
so, if there is a neighbor, does it make sense for him to roleclaim already?
No. You're scum.
my defense:
- if i were scum, i'd risky for me to ask for the TFN to roleclaim
- asking for someone to roleclaim on D1 is suspicious, not to doubt of me being mafia, but enough for a Tracker/Jailkeeper to use their N1 actions on me
- if a Tracker targets me on N1 and finds out i used my action on the N1 victim, it'd game over for mafia
my questioning:
- assuming someone a scum without any info from anybody can only occurs on 2 possible scenarios:
> Jawapa is scum, so he'd know im town, and is trying to lynch me
> We are BOTH NOT scum, so we dont know each other factions
i already assumed im town, so i dont have another choice:
!vote jawapa
I'm leaning on jawapa's side on this one. It's very rare (very unlikely) that a mafia plays very aggressive early on, rather, I think you voting for jawapa makes you look scummy.

You doubt of the "rareness" (metagame btw) of Jawapa using an agressive move, but did not doubt of ME using an agressive move...

You opened the possibilty of considering your leaning on Jawapa a scum/scum defense.
Also, you stated that the TFN should not roleclaim... that was not suspicious, but now It looks like you were trying to avoid TFN roleclaiming as it'd reveal the mafia roles

My deduction:
- Jawapa and Kira are scum

Andymakeer · 2020-01-08 11:04:39

Kira wrote:

Andymakeer wrote:
Kira wrote:
Andymakeer wrote:
mrjawapa wrote:
No. You're scum.
my defense:
- if i were scum, i'd risky for me to ask for the TFN to roleclaim
- asking for someone to roleclaim on D1 is suspicious, not to doubt of me being mafia, but enough for a Tracker/Jailkeeper to use their N1 actions on me
- if a Tracker targets me on N1 and finds out i used my action on the N1 victim, it'd game over for mafia
my questioning:
- assuming someone a scum without any info from anybody can only occurs on 2 possible scenarios:
> Jawapa is scum, so he'd know im town, and is trying to lynch me
> We are BOTH NOT scum, so we dont know each other factions
i already assumed im town, so i dont have another choice:
!vote jawapa
I'm leaning on jawapa's side on this one. It's very rare (very unlikely) that a mafia plays very aggressive early on, rather, I think you voting for jawapa makes you look scummy.
You doubt of the "rareness" (metagame btw) of Jawapa using an agressive move, but did not doubt of ME using an agressive move...
You opened the possibilty of considering your leaning on Jawapa a scum/scum defense.
Also, you stated that the TFN should not roleclaim... that was not suspicious, but now It looks like you were trying to avoid TFN roleclaiming as it'd reveal the mafia roles
My deduction:
- Jawapa and Kira are scum
XD.
“Andy I suspect, YOU!”
Andy: “UNO REVERSE CARD!”
Quality arguments mate

you know that your "very unlikely" argument was way too foolish than mine, right?

Andymakeer · 2020-01-09 12:24:07

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Why did you take a joke ‘You’re scum’ post seriously*

"oh i will make a joke post telling ur scum, you'll obviously take it as a joke and will drive away the suspicion on me"

really?
even jokes are strategy, think about it...

Andymakeer · 2020-01-09 13:18:15

Crybaby wrote:

Yeah, Andy's a Mafia so he would know. C'mon guys, give him a chance

Crybaby wrote:

I voted for him because he comes first alphabetically. I'd have voted for either. Would you prefer I switch my vote to Jawapa?

Crybaby is ignorable

Onjit wrote:

hey andy
who is your number one most trusted player in the game right now

2B and you

idk about Hugo tho, its hard to play with inactives

Andymakeer · 2020-01-09 15:13:09

Onjit wrote:

!vote andy
anyone who trusts me is either a moron or is trying to deflect

what am i trying to deflect exactly?

the only one with suspicion on you is Processor

please dont metagame...

Andymakeer · 2020-01-09 18:14:27

Kira wrote:

mrjawapa wrote:
Andymakeer wrote:
please dont metagame...
I dont think you understand what metagaming is.
This. Look up the definition of metagaming.
You're just making your case worse and worse Andy, I don't understand what you're trying to achieve or who you are suspecting.
I'm not going to vote anyone for now, I'm gonna wait until the last 2 days in order to make a decision because:
A is voting for B > B is voting for C > C is voting for A.
Instead of voting randomly, who's death gives away the most information?

you are all using "not usely", "uncommon", "rare", "seems to" to determine ur votings.
thats metagaming, basing your argument on external information like other matches and personal experience rather than on whats currently going on!
taking external information and using it as if it were an advantage is a clear example of metagame.

onjit said "anyone that votes me is moron"
why exactly?
is it because he is not a trustable person?
oh thank you, but i dont see a "Trust Level" charge bar to determine whether my actions are or are not scummy

using his personal reliability from outside the game as if it were basis to call me scum is another clear example of metagame

Andymakeer · 2020-01-09 18:44:20

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metagaming

Example:

A special set of moves in chess can allow a player to win in four moves. Competitor A has been watching Competitor B play chess, and the past five games in a row Competitor B has attempted to use this four-move win. When Competitor A sits down to play against Competitor B, Competitor A will be metagaming if they play in a way that will give them an advantage if Competitor B repeats this line.

The same thing is happening here, the same Mafia Clique of all the other games are using their own "popularity" to influence whether other players action are "right" or "wrong".
Who are you to call my arguments incorrect as if you were immune to suspicion?????
I still suspect you btw, dont think ill swallow any **** you say just because you belong to the mafia clique.

That is not a clear example of metagaming, it's pure logic. Why would a scum make himself look suspicious by being overly aggressive early on? It's most likely not going to happen, therefore it shouldn't happen in any game, including the one we are playing.

- "Oh this guy is being overly aggressive on D1
- "Oh but by PURE LOGIC (?) a scum would NEVER DO THAT
- "THATS IMPOSSIBLE LOOK I HAVE A RULEBOOK HERE TELLING THAT A SCUM CANNOT DO THAT OMG"
- "so by PURE LOGIC that guy is NOT SCUM, lets focus on another player!"

really?

Andymakeer · 2020-01-09 19:15:50

Kira wrote:

I said: "I'm leaning on jawapa's side on this one. It's very unlikely that a mafia plays very aggressive early on, rather, I think you voting for jawapa makes you look scummy."

Thats the fancy words, "very unlikely"...

Why should we consider YOUR definition of "scum playstyle" to determine if other players are or are not scum?
There is no certainty that you are town.
You could be very well dictating a pattern that mafia would NOT do, so the scums can do that pattern without bringing suspicion to themselves!!!

Andymakeer · 2020-01-10 20:54:07

Kira wrote:

!vote Andy
You haven't defended yourself, instead you kept digging your grave. I'm expecting some real defence next time you post instead of "poking holes in my arguments" as ShadowsEdge explained.

i have nothing to defend myself from, i already told im town
and again, stop acting as if my arguments must be qualified by your definition of "good" or "bad"

you and other mafia regular players will all believe and follow each other arguments as if they were "better" or "more logical" just because you have the mafia regular attribute.

its happening right here, right now:
you and shadow are both mafia regulars here at the forum, most of the players will inertly believe your arguments while depreciating other non-regular players with your fancy and complicated words that just make sense on the stupid game logic and pattern that you mafia regulars created

ive watched this forum mafia games, and they are all the same
only the mafia regulars get value on their arguments, while the others are mostly policy-linched or ignored the whole game, even when they have good arguments
AND OH, SURPRISINGLY, ALL OF THE EARLY GAME LYNCHES ARE TOWN!

you mafia-regulars dont play mafia, you play your stupid game of depreciating unpopular players to keep your false status of "expertise"
you decide to flip unpopular players with the STUPID motive of "giving more information", but everybody knows that you cant handle an unpopular player intimidating argument
so you decide to create a VIP-group artificial logic and wagon that player

i play mafia on Anonymous and random username forums/sites, and the experience is WAY too different than playing here

i base all of these arguments on the very signup thread of this particular mafia:

YOU, KIRA, decided to NOT PLAY because peace would play too
it was YOUR decision, you should have stayed OUT OF GAME BY YOUR OWN WILL
but no, Norboy, who is also a mafia-regular and belongs to this mafia-clique VIP group OPENED A POOL TO BLACKLIST PEACE

its obvious everyone who voted were also from these mafia-regular group, it was not a decision to not play with peace, it was a decision to keep the false royalty ingame while denigrating another player self-esteem just to keep your, again, FALSE "EXPERTISE" STATUS

see?
you, crybaby, shadow, norboy, jawapa, 2B, devlin and other players have the clique privileges
you know it and you use it as if they are logical arguments, but they are not

2b55b5g, Onjit, peace

Andymakeer · 2020-01-10 20:54:44

this match is a joke and i am not playing any mafia of these forum anymore

!unjoin

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