Mafia 36 [KIRBY WINS!]

mutantdevle · 2019-12-02 00:25:40

ShadowsEdge wrote:

I'm not mafia, and again, if you want to find that out then lynch me.

I fully intend to. Do you want to be before or after Slabdrill?

mutantdevle · 2019-12-02 00:33:39

ShadowsEdge wrote:

They make up an infection, pin someone as the source, Jawapa swoops in to "cure" Peace from an infection that has only been claimed to be true by them two.

I've just realised something as a further point as to why you are scum and lying through your teeth (not that any extra reasons are really needed).

You claimed you asked Onjit if the infection counted as a night action and you claim he told you that it would. In response to that, I asked him the same question to see what answer he'd give. I expected his answer would be vague like 'specify what you mean by infection' and then 'something like that would be considered a night action'. But, to my surprise, he gave the straight forward answer of yes it would which pseudo confirms the existence of an infection. You asked the same question and seemingly got the same answer so if you weren't twisting the facts to suit your narrative you'd have accepted the existence of an infection.

Slabdrill, Kira, Minimania, Different55

mutantdevle · 2019-12-02 00:36:20

peace wrote:

onjit was kirby allowed to hand out all these roles or not?

Considering we can see his role card I assume he was able to tell us the setup if he wanted to.

mutantdevle · 2019-12-02 00:44:49

I'm not really on board with letting Kira live to be honest. He has lost the game either way. He has no reason to work with us. The best he can do out of this game is the satisfaction of **** us up. The only thing we have to gauge whether he'd do that is what his opinion of the town vs the mafia seems to be. Whilst he's definitely friendlier towards us and more hostile to the mafia, we simply don't know if that's a trick. But I do agree that his extra kill will be vital especially considering how likely it is that Crybaby will be roleblocked.

Different55

mutantdevle · 2019-12-02 00:47:38

mrjawapa wrote:

No one has voted for peace today... right?

Zelda has. We don't know if the infection can be passed on to any person who voted you during the day or if they have to be voting you by the end of the day. But I'm not so sure it's worth risking it considering Zelda actually has nothing to lose by playing to the infected's win con. As town he can't win but he could as an infected.

mutantdevle · 2019-12-02 01:03:04

I think it would be better to save peace and stick to the plan of you shooting diff. If shadow role blocks you it doesn't matter too much since diff can't infect anyone.

Also, I've just thought @Zelda don't revote peace.

We don't need to give peace the chance to spread the infection if we can help it. Jawapa will heal him during the night which is likely to resolve before he dies from not infecting anybody (he'd die at the start of the day). And if it doesn't, peace just dies. I consider that kinda bad since we need to keep numbers up for voting but honestly Zelda not revoting is a win/win situation.

mutantdevle · 2019-12-02 22:47:50

Slabdrill is town. The game isn't solved. Back to the drawing board.

Slabdrill what was your result?
Peace are you still infected?
Zelda are you infected?
Crybaby, why isn't diff dead?

mutantdevle · 2019-12-02 22:49:01

Also, Shadow, who did you roleblock?

mutantdevle · 2019-12-03 01:24:44

I don’t consider my result on 100%, especially not with how unhelpful his investigation is, as I think it’s entirely possible he is a godfather. Jawapa’s death is surprising. I was the obvious kill. Slabdrill was also who I was obviously going to investigate. I’ve been kept alive for a reason. It could very well be to confirm Slabdrill as town.

Norwee

mutantdevle · 2019-12-03 01:27:11

I’m also suspicious of Crybaby’s lack of a successful kill. However, I think there is more investigation to be done before declaring him scum. But I think it’s fair to say I don’t trust him nearly as much as I did yesterday.

It’s really gonna be helpful if peace is cured.

mutantdevle · 2019-12-03 13:19:52

I still strongly suspect that Shadow is scum. I find it hard to believe that anyone genuinely thought there was no infection. You'd either have to be moronic or ignoring common-sense conclusions to push a narrative. It's very common for mafia members to claim the role of one of their teammates. Kira was never going to claim roleblocker after having a guilty on him which left Shadow open to.

mutantdevle · 2019-12-03 13:23:12

The infection is not a threat to us. I think it's mostly likely that Zelda and peace are still town (Jawapa didn't kill anyone so I can only assume he healed peace) but even if they weren't they can't spread any further because no one will be voting for them. Same applies to diff (unless we discover he can spread without being voted). So, in my opinion, I think we can ignore the infection for now.

mutantdevle · 2019-12-03 13:24:01

Crybaby, why do you think peace is potentially mafia? The very idea seems ludicrous to me.

mutantdevle · 2019-12-03 13:27:22

Different55 wrote:

Went to collect notes on everyone and something stuck out, Slabdrill claims Victory Cop and says Mutant has a "standard" "eliminate all non-town" wincon. Which is odd since even KirbyKira didn't go that far. Even KirbyKira's wincon was just "eliminate all criminals." Anyway, Slab did that N1, and has nothing to report for N2, claiming they investigated Jawapa moments before death. A cover for skipping a night to perform the kill?

I can confirm that my win condition is very standard. Slabdrill even used similar wording as to how my win condition is described. I don't doubt that he has access to learning about people's win conditions - whether that be because he's telling the truth or because he's on the scum team.

mutantdevle · 2019-12-03 13:31:49

peace wrote:

alos why didnt diff die he didnt spread infection... he must have a stronger rolecard also what i find odd is why are wet tryign so hard for an hitman if it MABY dooesnt exist kirby coudld have that wincon wihtout an hitman existing to foool kirby around with guessing now lest read the rest

It would make sense, as the host of the infection, that diff doesn't die from not infecting people. After all, it's kinda unfair to expect someone to be voted for on the first day and he just got lucky that you did. The infection is clearly designed to have fluctuating numbers and I must say that I think it's the best-designed version of a cult I've ever seen in mafia.

Norwee

mutantdevle · 2019-12-03 13:39:32

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

@Mutant what do you think?

To be honest, I think pqwerty is the best lynch today.

I suspect that the hitman role is as I described originally. He has a list of people that he needs to die in order to win. I suspect there are 3 people on the list considering it doesn't seem like he has a night kill. The problem is, we don't know how many people on that list have already died. It could be 0, it could be 2. But either way, if all 3 die then he wins the game and the rest of us lose. So with 1 mafia lynched I think it's a good idea to kill the hitman next as he could spring a win on us any moment especially since, as Crybaby pointed out, if we don't lynch scum today the scum will outnumber us. Pqwerty is the only person that we unanimously agree is scum. Only 2 out of Shadow, Slabdrill and Crybaby are mafia and if we get that wrong we lose; however, we basically know at this point that pqwerty is the hitman. And if the hitman isn't what we think it is then that means they have a win condition completely unknown to us which is even more dangerous in a setup where if someone wins the game ends.

Minimania

mutantdevle · 2019-12-03 13:40:52

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

You claimed vig, didn’t specify it was 1-shot until later.

Really? I thought it's been long established that Crybaby was only 1-shot. Maybe I just assumed it but this whole time I've thought Crybaby was only 1-shot.

Minimania

mutantdevle · 2019-12-03 13:43:04

Crybaby wrote:

Also, don't even bring up Kira as if I'm the only one who invited. Both you and Mutantdevle conceded to him

I don't recall ever conceding to Kira. I was willing to accept that he had been framed but I was adamantly for his lynch the entire day.

mutantdevle · 2019-12-03 13:44:21

Crybaby wrote:

Also if Slabdrill is the Godfather why don't we have 2 kills each night?

Godfather, in its standard form, is just a mafia member that shows up as town to investigations. They don't have an extra kill.

mutantdevle · 2019-12-03 13:45:48

Crybaby, it confuses me why you would defend Slabdrill. If he is actually town then you are 100% scum.

mutantdevle · 2019-12-03 13:53:50

This is (at least what I consider to be) the official version of the Godfather: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Godfather

This is what is considered standard for MafiaScum, MafiaUniverse (I think), Town Of Salem, and the card game Werewolf.

mutantdevle · 2019-12-03 13:54:19

Crybaby wrote:

mutantdevle wrote:
Crybaby, it confuses me why you would defend Slabdrill. If he is actually town then you are 100% scum.
My intention was not to defend Slabdrill but to call out what I thought was a fault in the Godfather theory

Yes but if the Godfather theory is wrong then it means you are mafia.

mutantdevle · 2019-12-03 13:57:32

As far as I'm concerned, this is the game state:

Town block:
Norwegianboy
mutantdevle
peace

Effectively town:
Zelda

Mafia Suspects:
Slabdrill
Crybaby
Shadow

Hitman:
pqwerty

Patient Zero:
different55

Minimania

mutantdevle · 2019-12-03 13:58:00

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

If Pqwerty is hitman and prefers voting Crybaby then i don't think us lynching Slabdrill would fulfull his wincon today.

Yes but if we are wrong about Slabdrill we lose.

mutantdevle · 2019-12-03 14:14:15

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

Mutant, what do you think about Kira's attempt to derail the lynch onto ShadowsEdge yesterday? Don't you think that increases his town equity a bit? If not then it means the entire feud was a scum theatre.

I do think that Shadow is probably the towniest of the 3 right now. But why risk it when we can lynch pqwerty and then get a new investigation result for tommorow? (They can't kill both me and peace).

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