Mafia 36 [KIRBY WINS!]

ShadowsEdge · 2019-12-01 20:01:01

Kira wrote:

I expected better from you Shadow. There is no transporter or witch, or else I'd have gotten a message from Onjit. You roleblocked Diff yet he managed to infect Peace...?

You expect me to do better than.. claim I'm town, and tell people that if they want to find that out to lynch me..? I claimed my role already, at this point, it's a matter of if people believe my claim. And because of the addition of a Mafia Roleblocker, I'm a crappy situation where I'm going to be pinned as the Mafia Roleblocker and be lynched for it. So if you want to confirm myself as the Town Roleblocker, then lynch me, because that's the only way I'll be confirmed.

You would've never got a message from Onjit with the Witch. And the messages that Onjit chooses to send are all to his whim. Because if it didn't directly affect your action, then he might not say it to you. Because Diff never said they were roleblocked, despite me roleblocking them. That's why I support the thought of them having no night action.

Kira wrote:

I don't believe a word you say.

I don't need you to believe me. I told you already, if you want to lynch me, then do it. I'm the Town Roleblocker and I'm not backing down.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-12-01 20:05:22

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

!Vote ShadowsEdge
Yer scum.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

ShadowsEdge · 2019-12-01 20:13:43

Well, there is a reason I've been scummy. But you're not going to believe it anyway.

I acted purposefully scummy on D1. I figured since I'm counted as a strong player in a sense, I could possibly be a target for the first night. So I acted scummy so that the Mafia wouldn't kill me, and instead be used as a pawn to their deception. While in the end it didn't work out in my favor, I didn't die N1, so that's a plus.

What about my claim needs a "Rube Goldberg chain of events" to prove I'm not lying? My claim is that I roleblocked Diff. The simple truth I'm putting out is that either the whole infection is a hoax. Alternatively, Patient Zero could be able to infect someone who didn't vote for them, and instead the infectees can only infect people who vote for them.

I don't believe Diff is Patient Zero because I roleblocked them N1, and that's all there is to it.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-12-01 20:14:29

Hah, ninja'd

ShadowsEdge · 2019-12-01 20:17:14

Mutant will pull the Framer card with it. And because we don't know the setup, we can't deny any of it. If Mutant is scum then using the Faction Cop + Framer duo is a solid way to push his agendas.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-12-01 20:23:45

Regarding my information, it's what makes the most sense. This ideal that you're going to disregard everything from Peace just because "He's not capable of it!" is only going to lead you down a rabbit hole. Sure, maybe he may not have been able to do it in the past, but that doesn't mean that he can't do it now.

My choice is to find a way to confirm if the infection is real.

More likely than not, I feel that if Peace is scum, Jawapa and Peace are using this infection, possible hoax, in order to confirm themselves as town. Because here's how I see it:

They make up an infection, pin someone as the source, Jawapa swoops in to "cure" Peace from an infection that has only been claimed to be true by them two. Once Peace is "cured" then Jawapa is confirmed as town for "saving" peace. And Peace is confirmed for showing Jawapa as Town.

Peace doesn't have to push the agendas, he just has to play a role, and sure it's been out of his ability before, but that doesn't mean he could have changed that.

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ShadowsEdge · 2019-12-01 20:26:45

Oh wait whoops I wrote that "My choice is to find a way to confirm if the infection is real" bit with intent of my purpose to find out if it is real, but I forgot.

There are two options I see.

Option 1: We can have Zelda vote for Peace in order to confirm if the infection is true. If Zelda becomes infected, then we can have Zelda tell us it's true.

Option 2: We let Peace die. I am well aware that Peace claims Role Cop, but this is another option. In this scenario, we would have Jawapa refrain from healing Peace in order to confirm the presence of the infection.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-12-01 20:27:57

Does Vigilante's guilt happen in this game?

ShadowsEdge · 2019-12-01 20:28:48

Peace, you do realize that if I was roleblocked by a Mafia Roleblocker, you would be assuming there are three roleblockers, right?

ShadowsEdge · 2019-12-01 20:30:32

The former option is the one I think would work better for town, hence why I put it as the first option.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-12-01 20:32:29

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

Well there's a simple way to find out whether they are lying or not. If Crybaby or Kira nightkills Diff and he's a infector then Peace and Jawapa are not lying. If Diff isn't then they are both confirmed mafia. It simply isn't a good mafia strategy to have such an easily disprovable claim on D2.

As for this bit. The setup is closed, the Mafia couldn't have known which roles were used, except for those that claimed D1. and iirc Crybaby, and all the other cops, claimed D2, after Peace's bit. More likely than not, if they are mafia, it was just a mistake on their part.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-12-01 20:37:00

peace wrote:

imo it owuldve been much nicer if kirby actulay gave us all the possible roles wouldve made this all mcuh eaiser its a big big mistake form kirby that he didnt then we coudl know if there even was a framer or not because if there sint then mutant cliaaim is a good way to check kira/mutans role

As I said before, Onjit likely had some system in place preventing Kirby from doing that. Because Onjit purposefully made this a closed setup, and for one person to have the entire setup, and to be able to reveal it in it's entirety would kill the closed-setup-type deal.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-12-01 20:45:23

peace wrote:

alos i still dont get kirbys wincondition why is it difrent form the rst of the town just why?

Onjit said before the game started that this game would have differentiating win conditions, or something along those lines. Brother in Arms are town aligned, but they have a different win condition to the town, which only further shows that.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-12-01 20:47:09

Hitman isn't the same as SK. They're similar, but technically Onjit made up the role, so he could've changed the mechanics however he wanted.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-12-01 20:53:03

Kira wrote:

ShadowsEdge wrote:
You would've never got a message from Onjit with the Witch. And the messages that Onjit chooses to send are all to his whim. Because if it didn't directly affect your action, then he might not say it to you. Because Diff never said they were roleblocked, despite me roleblocking them. That's why I support the thought of them having no night action.
Again, this is false. Anyone would receive a notification that they have indeed been transported.
However, you are right. You don't receive notification for the following:
-Inspection: (Look out, Cops)
-Arsonist: (Doused)
-Doctor/Bodyguard
You get the notification for the following
-You got shot/killed/ignited
-You self healed/self protected yourself with a vest
-You get transported with another player
I'm sure I missed some. But all mafias work the same. You can't lie your way through this Shadow. You're done.

I've never played with Transporter on Mafia, I've only played with it on ToS, and here it differs in a lot of ways which is why I didn't know.

Even if, I said that was less likely, and instead of focusing on the part that I said was more likely, you focused on the part that was less likely, and easier to find suspicion on me for. I said more likely, there is both a Town and Mafia Roleblocker, with myself being the Town Roleblocker, and the Mafia Roleblocker roleblocking you.

You confirming that you couldn't have been transported and that I couldn't have been witched confirms that I did roleblock Diff, and that if you were roleblocked then continues to confirm that there are two roleblockers.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-12-01 20:58:25

Kira wrote:

Peace is literally known to not being able to put an act, if he says he has been infected, then it is the absolute truth. That's how I see it. He has never lied a single time in past mafia games, I don't see why he'd do it now.

Like I told Norwegian, if you always follow that, you're only going to go down a rabbit hole, just like you are now. You're so focused on the "truth" that Peace is telling that you're ignorant to any other truth, aka my claim to being Town Roleblocker, and refuse to believe anything else.

Just because they weren't able to do it once, doesn't mean they can't do it later on. I know, because I went through that in a different mafia game, where we assumed that this one player, who would always reveal themselves as mafia under pressure, was town because when we pressured them into revealing, they claimed Doc. Eventually we did figure out they were Mafia, but it was a big shift for us since we figured that they weren't capable of doing that type of deception.

Don't follow this rabbit hole.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-12-01 21:04:09

Kira wrote:

ShadowsEdge wrote:
Kira wrote:
Peace is literally known to not being able to put an act, if he says he has been infected, then it is the absolute truth. That's how I see it. He has never lied a single time in past mafia games, I don't see why he'd do it now.
Like I told Norwegian, if you always follow that, you're only going to go down a rabbit hole, just like you are now. You're so focused on the "truth" that Peace is telling that you're ignorant to any other truth, aka my claim to being Town Roleblocker, and refuse to believe anything else.
Just because they weren't able to do it once, doesn't mean they can't do it later on. I know, because I went through that in a different mafia game, where we assumed that this one player, who would always reveal themselves as mafia under pressure, was town because when we pressured them into revealing, they claimed Doc. Eventually we did figure out they were Mafia, but it was a big shift for us since we figured that they weren't capable of doing that type of deception.
Don't follow this rabbit hole.
I wish I wouldn't have to follow this rabbit hole, but all fingers points that you are indeed Mafia...
Your only defence so far was:
ShadowsEdge wrote:
Well, there is a reason I've been scummy. But you're not going to believe it anyway.
I acted purposefully scummy on D1. I figured since I'm counted as a strong player in a sense, I could possibly be a target for the first night. So I acted scummy so that the Mafia wouldn't kill me, and instead be used as a pawn to their deception. While in the end it didn't work out in my favor, I didn't die N1, so that's a plus.
Acting scummy on purpose to not get night killed? I don't think anyone would believe that a second.

I'm completely aware of how everything points to me being mafia. And I'm aware that people wouldn't believe me. That's why I didn't tell Norwegian when he first asked the question.

It also doesn't help that I literally have a confirmed Town member, a strong player, and a town-sided Serial Killer (basically) all campaigning for my death. Believe it if you want, because that's my truth.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-12-01 21:25:27

Kira wrote:

ShadowsEdge wrote:
Kira wrote:
ShadowsEdge wrote:
Kira wrote:
Peace is literally known to not being able to put an act, if he says he has been infected, then it is the absolute truth. That's how I see it. He has never lied a single time in past mafia games, I don't see why he'd do it now.
Like I told Norwegian, if you always follow that, you're only going to go down a rabbit hole, just like you are now. You're so focused on the "truth" that Peace is telling that you're ignorant to any other truth, aka my claim to being Town Roleblocker, and refuse to believe anything else.
Just because they weren't able to do it once, doesn't mean they can't do it later on. I know, because I went through that in a different mafia game, where we assumed that this one player, who would always reveal themselves as mafia under pressure, was town because when we pressured them into revealing, they claimed Doc. Eventually we did figure out they were Mafia, but it was a big shift for us since we figured that they weren't capable of doing that type of deception.
Don't follow this rabbit hole.
I wish I wouldn't have to follow this rabbit hole, but all fingers points that you are indeed Mafia...
Your only defence so far was:
ShadowsEdge wrote:
Well, there is a reason I've been scummy. But you're not going to believe it anyway.
I acted purposefully scummy on D1. I figured since I'm counted as a strong player in a sense, I could possibly be a target for the first night. So I acted scummy so that the Mafia wouldn't kill me, and instead be used as a pawn to their deception. While in the end it didn't work out in my favor, I didn't die N1, so that's a plus.
Acting scummy on purpose to not get night killed? I don't think anyone would believe that a second.
I'm completely aware of how everything points to me being mafia. And I'm aware that people wouldn't believe me. That's why I didn't tell Norwegian when he first asked the question.
It also doesn't help that I literally have a confirmed Town member, a strong player, and a town-sided Serial Killer (basically) all campaigning for my death. Believe it if you want, because that's my truth.
Let's look at what we've got so far:
>You claimed Town Roleblocker
>You claimed to have roleblocked Different55 Night 1, however he denies to have been roleblocked, source:
Different55 wrote:
Oh right I guess I would have gotten some sort of message maybe although that seems unlikely.
I didn't get any notifications of any kind last night, and I'm not immune to roleblocks. Kinda confused what a roleblock would do to me anyway since it seems like my only ability is a reactive one (kill anyone who kills me).
>I, however claimed to have been Roleblocked last night. I, the Serial Killer/hitman did not succeed my night action because of it.
>No one counterclaimed Roleblocker, and as stated previously, the chance of having more than 1 Roleblocker is extremely unlikely, as Onjit likes diversity. (Please refer to his other Mafia games if you want a proof of that.)

Claiming Roleblocker was a smart move, but it also got you killed because no counterclaims followed. It's over Shadow.

I said before that's why I support the idea of Different55 being this "Town Jester," because if he doesn't have an action, more likely than not, he would not have been told he was roleblocked, because there was no action to be roleblocked. You're still going down a rabbit hole of these ideas from previous games to push an idea of myself being Mafia. You should also know that Onjit likes to break the expectations, so for there to be two Roleblockers is not only a guaranteed feat, it's also still a possibility to increase the unknown.

I claimed Roleblocker because I had information to provide. And I don't regret claiming it, because after I die, my information will be confirmed, and will be able to be used to find the actual scum.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-12-01 21:29:24

Oh and, for the "no counterclaims" bit. It's in the Mafia's best intentions not to counterclaim me, that's why I'm not being counterclaimed. Because I'm Town being suspected of being Mafia. The Mafia Roleblocker counterclaiming me would only make me look more town, because then it proves the idea of there being two roleblockers. Take that into consideration.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-12-02 02:54:27

Crybaby wrote:

-When confronted about it by Kira, he doesn't really seem able to defend himself. Aside from explaining why he wasn't up front with Norboy, his only other defense was that he had several people campaigning against him. This can be stressful or something but it isn't a defense, so unless you were pointing it out to point it out, I don't see how it's important.

Because I really don't have a defense. I made my claim, I presented my information, but beyond that I don't actually have a reason for all of you to believe that I'm not Mafia. I pointed it out because Im in a crappy situation, my role makes me look scummy, I played the scummy game Day 1, and to top it all off, I'm suspected by all of the top dogs. Can you really say that with all of this I can provide a viable defense to actually make you believe me?

Crybaby wrote:

What information did it provide? The infection has been confirmed to exist. Peace is infected, claims Diff caused it, Jawapa confirmed that Peace can be healed by him. Kira and I are both targeting Diff tonight so there's no way he can't die unless there is some other role the Mafia has besides a simple roleblocker.

It provided reasoning to distrust the infection. How has the infection been "confirmed" to exist. The only way it has been "confirmed" was by metagaming Onjit's posts, but Onjit has said that even if the Infection was a lie and we asked questions about it, he would talk about it as if it were true. That's not a reason to believe that it's "confirmed." So that leave's it all towards Peace and Jawapa, who not only support each other as town, but are the sole advocates of the infection.

Crybaby wrote:

Basically, what I'm trying to say is, I'm not buying your roleclaim. If Diff was a Jester, then claiming to have blocked him would be too convenient. If Diff really is the cult leader, then it makes no sense to me that he managed to infect other people.

If Peace is infected, then more likely than not Patient Zero has different conditions than the infectees, which I've mentioned before. My actions are what they are, and I chose to roleblock Diff, so if you think that's too convenient then so be it.

Crybaby wrote:

Dont mean to nitpick, but, this statement seems almost like you're expecting to die, and it seems like the same thing Kira was doing earlier, too.

I expect to die soon. Maybe I won't die today, but more likely than not, I'll either be lynched today or tomorrow because of the crappy situation I'm in.

Crybaby wrote:

I didn't see this before until now, could you explain?

Aka, if a Vigilante shoots a townmember, will they die from it?

Crybaby wrote:

Atm, you're my top suspicion because things just seem to convenient for you

Fair enough.

mutantdevle wrote:

I think it would be better to save peace and stick to the plan of you shooting diff. If shadow role blocks you it doesn't matter too much since diff can't infect anyone.

I wouldn't be roleblocking either of them, I'm still going to be going for whoever I find the most scummy. But if you still believe I'm the Mafia Roleblocker then, whatever floats your boat.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-12-02 02:57:07

Different55 wrote:

According to Shadow, I was roleblocked last night. I received no messages or notifications. There's no contradiction. Try harder.

What do you mean "Try harder"

ShadowsEdge · 2019-12-02 03:01:07

Crybaby wrote:

wait sorry, misread the question
No, I will not die if I shoot a town member

Alright. I wasn't sure if it worked that way here.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-12-02 03:03:16

Different55 wrote:

Thought: what if Shadow's the cult leader?

I believe this is coming from the amount of votes towards me?

If Patient Zero infects people who vote for them, then I would have infected Norwegian, since Norwegian is the only one, iirc, who voted for me D1.

If it works in the way I presented, Peace definitely would not have been my first option. Primarily because of previous playstyles, but also because I would want to get someone that would be able to best spread the infection.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-12-02 03:11:10

Different55 wrote:

ShadowsEdge wrote:
Different55 wrote:
Thought: what if Shadow's the cult leader?
I believe this is coming from the amount of votes towards me?
If Patient Zero infects people who vote for them, then I would have infected Norwegian, since Norwegian is the only one, iirc, who voted for me D1.
If it works in the way I presented, Peace definitely would not have been my first option. Primarily because of previous playstyles, but also because I would want to get someone that would be able to best spread the infection.
More because I thought you were the person to townconfirm me before you turned out to be scum. But what if hypothetically you're culty instead of scummy?

"Turned out to be scum." I'm not scum, I'm town. The only reason I'm "turning out to be scum" is because everyone is too set on this idea of the game that they're unwilling to change any of their beliefs to any idea that allows me to be seen as town.

I claim Town Roleblocker -> Mafia Roleblocker appears -> Everyone assumes I'm Mafia Roleblocker -> I present the idea of two Roleblockers -> Everyone ignores it, and assumes I'm scum.

I claim Town Roleblocker -> Present the idea of the Infection being a hoax -> "The Infection is confirmed" -> Onjit shows how the infection isn't confirmed -> Everyone continues to believe that Different55 is Patient Zero, and that Peace and Jawapa are town with no actual confirmation of their townness -> Ergo, I am scum

I act scummy D1 (My fault) -> Ergo I am scum

I have no defense, and all the information I provide is just being disregarded on a sort of "Shut up Mafia" type deal, and because of the false-confirmations going on, everyone believe that I'm confirmed as scum.

ShadowsEdge · 2019-12-02 03:29:14

The only people I find suspicious are Peace, Jawapa, and Pqwerty.

Peace and Jawapa should be obvious, I don't believe in the whole infection deal, I think it's all a hoax to confirm Peace and Jawapa as town.

Pqwerty is simply because he still hasn't roleclaimed, despite everyone else roleclaiming, and prompting others to roleclaim. On top of this, the whole town game he's playing seems to just be throwing questions at people, but the only actual read I think he's made of it was of Kira.

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