mafia 34 maf gave up town wins

ZeldaXD · 2019-10-28 20:03:59

!prod everyone

peace · 2019-10-28 20:50:46

peace wrote:

peace wrote:
peace wrote:
peace wrote:
vote counts:
norweg [3] bimps, task, kira
task [5] jawapa, kirby, proc, mutant, norweg [L-3]
jawapa: [1] kira
endday [1] zelda
about ~45 hours remain

Luka504 · 2019-10-28 20:53:12

Devlin wrote:

The fact that the Norwegian wagon was comprised of mostly joke votes is evidence that he is town.

It really isn't though. Joke votes are inherently worthless to observe because they're, well, joke votes. They can happen for a variety of reasons that have nothing to do with what the person's actually said. They don't prove that NorwegianBoy is scum just as much as they don't prove he's a town.
They don't mean anything. Stop pretending like they do.

Devlin wrote:

I notice that you exempt yourself from this list.

Are you criticizing me... For not putting myself in my suspect list?

Devlin wrote:

What happened afterwards is what is crucial because confirming task's alignment gives us lots of information.

Really, now? Because I'd argue that NorBoy's flip will yield far more valuable information than Task's.
If he flips mafia like I believe he might, then that puts people who hastily voted for Taskmanager in quite a pickle.

Devlin wrote:

So the fact that he got so many votes is exactly why I think he's towny.

So why are you giving Norwegianboy the benefit of the doubt, but not Taskmanager? He received a ton of votes just like Norwegianboy did, so what gives?
Shouldn't they both be townies for you?

TaskManager · 2019-10-28 20:55:23

I don't understand why people are piling up on Norboy

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

mutantdevle wrote:
However, despite TaskManager's wagon being formed in a similar way, I don't hold it to the same standard. First of all, we know that it's mere suggestion is town motivated - that's not something we can be sure about on Norwegian's wagon. That said, I don't believe Onjit has any substantial reason to be voting for Task. The wagon is random. But I'm much more comfortable with a random wagon started by a confirmed town player than a random wagon started by someone we don't know we can trust. I'm also seeing more hesitation around voting for task which would also indicate that there's a chance he's not town.
I'm down with this.
!Vote Taskmanager

Also Mutant's reasoning in that post is just bad
Onjit doesn't know more than any of us, so why should his judgement be any more valid?

!vote Mutantdevle

Based on
a) Praising Onjit's allegedly perfect judgement that stems from his Town confirmation. This logic is flawed and I really doubt sane town Mutant would push that point
b) You're trying to push the idea that people were hesitant to vote me, yet I got from 1 vote (by Onjit) to L-1 in 13 hours!
c) You were pretty late on the wagon which is generally a scum tell

Norboy basically sheeped you so I guess I answered my question from the start of my post

peace · 2019-10-28 20:58:51

peace wrote:

vote counts:
norweg [2] bimps, kira
task [5] jawapa, kirby, proc, mutant, norweg [L-3]
jawapa: [1] kira
mutant: [1] task
endday [1] zelda
about ~45 hours remain

TaskManager · 2019-10-28 21:00:56

peace wrote:

norweg [3] bimps, kira

peace fix your votecount jesus christ

Norwee · 2019-10-28 22:01:37

We have like 3 cops so i don't see why we can't just no lynch like Zelda suggested.
Since we have such a ridiculous amount of PR's.

/Unvote

peace · 2019-10-28 22:05:09

peace wrote:

peace wrote:
vote counts:
norweg [2] bimps, kira
task [4] jawapa, kirby, proc, mutant,
jawapa: [1] kira
mutant: [1] task
endday [1] zelda
about ~44 hours remain

TaskManager · 2019-10-28 22:50:21

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

We have like 3 cops so i don't see why we can't just no lynch like Zelda suggested.
Since we have such a ridiculous amount of PR's.
/Unvote

oh?
suddenly that idea sounds appealing to you?

Norwee · 2019-10-28 22:57:35

Yeah i thought about the setup and it seems better to no lynch than doing blind shots.
/End Day

TaskManager · 2019-10-28 22:58:55

L O L
Nice backpedalling bud

mutantdevle · 2019-10-28 23:02:03

Luka504 wrote:

Joke votes are inherently worthless to observe because they're, well, joke votes.

Hard to get anything meaningful from? Sure. Worthless? Hell no. From the moment someone reads their role PM every action they take becomes naturally alignment indicative. It is pretty much objective that scum players would be less likely to vote for scum players, even as a joke, than a town player would. Town have no bias when placing a joke vote but scum do. No matter how far they try to remove themselves from their alignment for the sake of a joke, scum would consciously know they are voting another scum member. So whilst I cannot make any statements like "X wouldn't joke vote as scum so they are Y alignment", what I can do is look at a trend of people voting someone and make conclusions on their alignment based on probability.

Luka504 wrote:

Are you criticizing me... For not putting myself in my suspect list?

I see your point. However, I felt that your post was glossing over the fact that from other's points of view you'd very much deserve to be on that list. A little acknowledgement of that would have been nice.

Luka504 wrote:

Really, now? Because I'd argue that NorBoy's flip will yield far more valuable information than Task's.
If he flips mafia like I believe he might, then that puts people who hastily voted for Taskmanager in quite a pickle.

And if he flips town? We don't learn too much - or at least, we don't learn much that is useful to us without also then flipping Task. On the other hand, we learn quite a lot about various people regardless of whether Task flips mafia or town as I have highlighted in one of my previous posts - and the best part about that is most of these conclusions can be made without flipping norwegianboy too.

Luka504 wrote:

So why are you giving Norwegianboy the benefit of the doubt, but not Taskmanager? He received a ton of votes just like Norwegianboy did, so what gives?
Shouldn't they both be townies for you?

I've already explained this...

mutantdevle wrote:

I'm also seeing more hesitation around voting for task which would also indicate that there's a chance he's not town.

mutantdevle wrote:

the TaskManager wagon is more considered with a few people expressing clear hesitation, aka the fate of him holds value to people - I doubt that change in attitude is as simple as a switch of not taking the game seriously vs taking it seriously.

To put it simply, more people cared about taskmanager being lynched than they did norwegianboy being lynched. Technically, none of this is really particularly good evidence that norwegianboy is town and task is scum. What it does suggest however is that norwegianboy is townier than task is. So theoretically, that could mean they are both town but the way the wagons have formed just makes task look scummier or they could both be scum and norwegianboy looks townier out of the two. So considering that, combined with task's lynch having a greater potential for information than norwegianboy's, I think task is the better lynch.

ZeldaXD · 2019-10-28 23:14:29

There's a 35% chance of randomly lynching a mafia, but then again there's a 65% chance of randomly lynching a town PR. It makes more sense to end day and let cops give us information tomorrow if they find anything useful. Otherwise, IF we mislynch, we will most likely lose 2 town PR by day 2. The fact that everyone is just overlooking this fact and are so eager to lynch someone d1 is very suspicious, especially Luka and Eleizibeth, who quickly tried to dismiss it so people wouldn't seriously consider it.

mutantdevle · 2019-10-28 23:17:31

TaskManager wrote:

Onjit doesn't know more than any of us, so why should his judgement be any more valid?

Both the wagon on norwegianboy and the wagon on you were started randomly. By that I mean there was no knowledge of either of you that influenced the creation of the wagons. The wagon on norwegianboy was started by someone whose alignment we do not know. If that player was town, then there was no bias behind starting the wagon. If they were mafia, then they are more likely to have started a wagon on a town player than a mafia player. We know Onjit is town. Hence, when he starts a random wagon, we know there is no bias at play. So whilst this does not guarantee by any metric that you are scum, it does make it more likely in the closed system of random wagons.

As I have stated before, Onjit being the founder of the wagon is the smallest factor in my reasoning for voting for you. So it's nice of you to not only choose to attack exclusively that part of my reasoning but then base a scum read on me for it. Do you not have anything to say about the numerous people who are only voting for you because Onjit told them to?

TaskManager wrote:

Praising Onjit's allegedly perfect judgement that stems from his Town confirmation.

When have I ever praised Onjit's judgement? I described his decision to wagon you as random which is kinda the opposite of 'perfect'.

TaskManager wrote:

You're trying to push the idea that people were hesitant to vote me, yet I got from 1 vote (by Onjit) to L-1 in 13 hours!

And norwegianboy went from 1 vote (by Kirby) to L-2 in 4 hours. And unlike with your wagon, nobody ever expressed any hesitation to vote for him.

mutantdevle · 2019-10-28 23:26:34

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

Yeah i thought about the setup and it seems better to no lynch than doing blind shots.

Well, you're wrong.

ZeldaXD wrote:

There's a 35% chance of randomly lynching a mafia, but then again there's a 65% chance of randomly lynching a town PR.

On day 2 there's going to be quite a high chance that instead of lynching scum we lynch a town PR. So I guess we shouldn't lynch day 2 either (I mean, I guess it's kinda different since we'd probably have some cop results to go on, but I just find this idea of willingly depriving ourselves of information ludicrous).

Everybody here is a PR of some description. And when everyone is super, no one will be.

TaskManager · 2019-10-28 23:29:07

mutantdevle wrote:

And norwegianboy went from 1 vote (by Kirby) to L-2 in 4 hours. And unlike with your wagon, nobody ever expressed any hesitation to vote for him.

Tu quoque
It still doesn't make my wagon a slow and hesitant one
Plus, I don't know about others, but I voted Norboy after he jokingly claimed Doc, which was me obviously playing along
I wouldn't hesitate to seriously vote him at this point though

ZeldaXD · 2019-10-28 23:31:28

mutantdevle wrote:

Everybody here is a PR of some description. And when everyone is super, no one will be.

No, everyone is still super because every townie but Onjit have abilities that help town if used correctly, depriving ourselves from such abilities is detrimental to town. What if we accidentally lynch a cop today? Tomorrow instead of 3 cops with info we will have 2. We risk more by lynching today.

TaskManager · 2019-10-28 23:34:21

mutantdevle wrote:

Do you not have anything to say about the numerous people who are only voting for you because Onjit told them to?

I don't know
Do you?
It didn't seem to bother you when you cast the vote
And on the other hand you're still arguing that people hesitate hopping on this wagon
Pick a side, dude

Processor · 2019-10-28 23:36:03

@eleizibeth: Do you support voting for TaskManager? Why? Why not?

Luka504 · 2019-10-28 23:45:03

Well, this is a bit of a problem on my end;
I have a school trip tomorrow that lasts pretty much the entire week. Lots of travelling, no PC, and not much wi-fi. I'm also supposed to be sleeping rn but stress about the mafia game is apparently the best caffeine to ever exist.

As of right now, I'd still be up for a NorwegianBoy or a Devlin lynch because they're both acting just a tad off for my tastes, but considering the setup, it'll be pretty risky to do so.
I've yet to (seriously) vote for someone, and I don't think I will. I also won't vote to end the day, because... well, there's no real reason to end the day early, is there?

mutantdevle · 2019-10-28 23:45:31

TaskManager wrote:

Tu quoque
It still doesn't make my wagon a slow and hesitant one

I wasn't making you out to be hypocritical. Your point was flawed due to ignorance - there was no hypocrisy about it. Just like again you've been ignorant (probably intentionally) of relativity. Sure, 13 hours is not a long time to have gained votes in. But it is longer compared to norwegianboy. People were more hesitant about voting you. This shows that people care about you more than they do norwegianboy. By lynching you, we gain more information than we would from lynching norwegianboy. My entire point this whole time is that, based on wagon composition, you are more likely to be scum than norwegianboy is.

TaskManager wrote:

Plus, I don't know about others, but I voted Norboy after he jokingly claimed Doc, which was me obviously playing along

I've not criticised you for your voting, so it's odd that you've brought this up. Though personally I do not excuse your vote from being indicative of your alignment just because you claim it's a joke. The only person I'm really willing to ignore the votes of is proc since he's been on all 3 wagons (if we include the initial wagon on Onjit) for seemingly meme-y reasons. Actually, thinking about it, I think proc being on all those wagons is probably a slight indication that he's town.

mutantdevle · 2019-10-28 23:49:53

ZeldaXD wrote:

No, everyone is still super because every townie but Onjit have abilities that help town if used correctly, depriving ourselves from such abilities is detrimental to town. What if we accidentally lynch a cop today? Tomorrow instead of 3 cops with info we will have 2. We risk more by lynching today.

TaskManager isn't a cop. If we lynch him there's 0 risk of lynching a cop. In fact, he's claimed that he's a roleblocker. So he's either a town roleblocker or a scum roleblocker. Either way, he runs the risk of preventing a cop from getting their result. So if you want to factor in the value of each role, task looks like a pretty good lynch from that angle too.

Norwee · 2019-10-28 23:55:34

Oh are people actually starting to take the game serious now? I guess that means i’ll need to do that too. I think Zelda’s raised an interesting argument that doesn’t seem like it would benefit scum so she’s a TR for me. Mutant is like the other side of the coin where i still think he’s town, but with an entirely different playstyle of "we should lynch" either for info we can use on analyzis or the slight chance we might hit scum. Obviously i thought the wagon on me was a joke, but the idea that scum wouldn’t buss their partner even as a joke is interesting. Does this give Task scum equity? It might, but i’m holding back a bit for now since i don’t want to cause anyone to lose their mind over my behaviour again. Crybaby’s weird breakdown kinda made me feel apathy already.

mutantdevle · 2019-10-28 23:59:33

mutantdevle wrote:

The only person I'm really willing to ignore the votes of is proc since he's been on all 3 wagons (if we include the initial wagon on Onjit) for seemingly meme-y reasons. Actually, thinking about it, I think proc being on all those wagons is probably a slight indication that he's town.

I got this wrong. It was luka who voted on all 3 wagons not proc.

ZeldaXD · 2019-10-29 00:02:08

For God's sake Norboy I am a man, EE HomeBOY.

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#226 2019-10-28 20:03:59

Re: mafia 34 maf gave up town wins

!prod everyone

#227 2019-10-28 20:50:46, last edited by peace (2019-10-28 20:52:39)

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#228 2019-10-28 20:53:12

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#229 2019-10-28 20:55:23

Re: mafia 34 maf gave up town wins

!Vote Taskmanager

!vote Mutantdevle

#230 2019-10-28 20:58:51, last edited by peace (2019-10-28 21:44:51)

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/Unvote

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