Mafia 33 [Friday Wins!]

mutantdevle · 2019-10-14 11:09:49

Rules (Stolen from Onjit):

1. Respect everyone, it's just a game, don't be a jerk.
2. Do not gamethrow. Play your role to win even if it seems dire, you never know what might happen.
3. Only discuss the game in this thread, or threads I assign to you.
4. Dead men tell no tales. Please use the graveyard thread if you have been eliminated.
5. Make all night actions via PM to me.
6. Don't use the mod text color please.
7. Try to post at least once every 24 hours.
8. Days will last 72 hours, nights will last 24 hours.
9. If you break the rules I will be rather bad-tempered or difficult to deal with (informal North American adjective).
10. Have fun!

For further rules read this: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p … meSpecific

The rules are pretty much common sense tbh. I reserve the right to punish you for doing anything that breaks the game even if it is not explicitly stated here.

The setup is this: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9%2B%2B

I have used a random number generator to get 7 numbers. These numbers then decide what roles are in the game. If you do not fully understand how the setup works then all you need to know is that the only roles possible are listed in the 'example roles' section of that link. I will be using the role PMs stated there.

- Despite what is implied in the example roles, all PTs in this game will be open both day and night.

The players whomst are alive:

3. ZeldaXD
7. TaskManager
8. Daneeko
9. ShadowsEdge
13. NoNK

Those whomst reside in the grave:

peace the vanilla townie died day 1.
Crybaby the vanilla townie died night 1.
NorwegianboyEE the Doctor died day 2.
Kira the vanilla townie died night 2.
Slabdrill the vanilla townie died night 2.
Onjit the Serial Killer died day 3.
Different55 the 1-shot vig died night 3.
mrjawapa the vanilla townie died day 4.

Onjit

Different55 · 2019-10-15 16:53:25

Did you know? You can ask your child's teacher to not give them homework? Usually they're happy to comply with the request, but most people never would have even thought to ask in the first place.

What if TaskManager is asking the game hosts to be maf? If your coin keeps flipping heads, there might be something wrong with it that you're not seeing.

Different55 · 2019-10-16 02:47:53

For like the whole first page I thought you guys were being dumb and talking about Norwegian when you said nonk but then I realized NoNK exists.

Onjit, Slabdrill

Different55 · 2019-10-16 03:24:35

mrjawapa wrote:

If I die tonight, Nonk or daneeko should be lynched first thing.

See you can't do crap like that, it doesn't work. If they're maf, they're going to kill someone else. If they're innocent, maf will kill you to send you on a goose chase.

Onjit, NoNK, Slabdrill, peace, TaskManager, ShadowsEdge

Different55 · 2019-10-16 06:41:26

NoNK wrote:

and for good reason

q: what is that? I kinda thought he was blacklisted from games since he plays a bad maf which would make him more or less confirmed townie if he's playing.

Different55 · 2019-10-16 06:41:46

oh right his behavior compared to other games right, carry on

Different55 · 2019-10-16 16:34:33

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

ZeldaXD needs to post.
Daneeko needs to look less scummy.
Crybaby needs to stop trolling.
Diff needs to say something allignment indicative so i can townbin him.
Peace needs to explain why he acts like a scumlord.
Hmm was that everything...?

Is suggesting a few votes to put pressure on/nuke an inactive (Zelda) alignment indicative? Maybe we can just get him swapped out for a backup, if there are any.

I'm not sold on peace yet but that's mainly because I haven't gone through his past games yet. Will soon. Also not loving how quickly and how often we're hitting L-1. Feels like a lot of failed hammer attempts, idk if by the scum or masons but I'd lean towards scum considering the masons have no reason to have such strong conviction this early on. Never played with masons before, feel like that's going to complicate looking for coordination between players when outing the wrong group of collaborators could hurt town.

If this peace thing does go through and he flips red I'm gonna look really bad but I think my reasoning for suspecting the wagon is solid.

mrjawapa, Slabdrill

Different55 · 2019-10-16 19:11:48

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

Suspecting the high speed in which people voted Peace? Yes.
Suspecting that Peace is not mafia? No, his slot is very scummy looking and i am most confident in him flipping red out of everyone so far. (Either that, or Serial killer. But don't worry about that yet. Main focus for us= Mafia.)

?

Those don't conflict for you? If people are slamming peace, it seems to me that it's probably organization behind it. That means either Masons if they exist, or Mafia. Considering the Masons have no reason to speedhammer someone and end the day early (especially after multiple people have tried to back away from it while pointing this out, we've had multiple people bringing us back to L-1), I gotta assume it's the maf running that particular show, with their reasoning being "let's go for an easy townlynch"

Different55 · 2019-10-16 20:37:23

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

Different55 wrote:
NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Suspecting the high speed in which people voted Peace? Yes.
Suspecting that Peace is not mafia? No, his slot is very scummy looking and i am most confident in him flipping red out of everyone so far. (Either that, or Serial killer. But don't worry about that yet. Main focus for us= Mafia.)
?
Those don't conflict for you? If people are slamming peace, it seems to me that it's probably organization behind it. That means either Masons if they exist, or Mafia. Considering the Masons have no reason to speedhammer someone and end the day early (especially after multiple people have tried to back away from it while pointing this out, we've had multiple people bringing us back to L-1), I gotta assume it's the maf running that particular show, with their reasoning being "let's go for an easy townlynch"
Who are the mafia running the show then?

Heck if I know. Whoever was continuing to put him at L-1 would be my first look. If they happen to line up with some of my other reads then I might say something but til then I'd prefer to keep my cards close to my chest.

With the day coming to a close at this point it's not likely for anything but a Peace lynch to happen even though all the hammer attempts make me doubt he's anything but town and I'm hesitant to reward that just because they got their push in early and kept it close. With peace dead that should at least give us something on the people pushing for his death.

Different55 · 2019-10-16 23:16:52

mutantdevle wrote:

There's about 39 hours left.

My hope of an actual scum being lynched have been restored

TaskManager wrote:

I didn't look very closely to the setup
What's the probability of Town having two players with the same power role? (that is not a Mason, obviously)

I'll answer that in a few hours, already got most of the work done for answering random C9++ related questions I had.

Different55 · 2019-10-17 02:53:40

And if you two happen to be maf, then if both Daneeko and Peace are town you two just singlehandedly (...doublehandedly?) set yourselves up a nice little tidy way to keep town off your backs for the whole first 2 days.

Odds are low of PR collision, at least if I did this right. There's only a 1.11% chance of being multiple (full, non-oneshot) cops and that sounds about right. Docs have better odds, at about 2.33%. Odds of multiple Vigs or Roleblockers is sub-1%.

Different55 · 2019-10-17 02:54:28

Ninja'd, pretend Slabdrill isn't there

Different55 · 2019-10-19 04:08:47

Tempted to join the Kira bandwagon, I feel like there was plenty to get serious about yesterday but I'll hold off for the moment.

People who put Peace at L-1 yesterday:

Daneeko (norboy backed off)
Kira (4 hours later, onjit backed off)
TaskManager (much later, hammered by norboy)

Wow felt like there were more, thought I'd have a whole list going there.

I don't feel comfortable leaning town on norboy or onjit just because of this. It's interesting that Daneeko and Kira also happen to be the people most are suspecting.

D1 trolling would be a good excuse to "accidentally" quickhammer Peace. I would be okay with voting Kira today.

I think maybe Norboy too. How many people actually went back for themselves to see how Peace acted in multiple past games and how many just took Norboy at his word, which really fueled yesterday's wagon? Anyone even click the link he supplied to a past Peacemaf game and look around for a few seconds? That said maybe he was just wrong, people do that sometimes. Being human would be a good excuse for scum to use to knowingly throw town off, too. Man I'm paranoid this game.

Different55 · 2019-10-19 13:06:46

I largely agree with Onjit's reads.

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

And yes i agree about Diff. In fact he hasn’t voted a single time yet. An way to avoid any negative attention maybe? That’s why i was hesistant to townlean him.
And i’ve got the same gripes with ShadowsEdge, but he seems to do it almost all games. He has this bad tendency of merely "commentating" on what’s going on, rather than finding actual scumreads and pushing them. Town can’t win if they don’t play somewhat aggressively and use their votes to pressure the mafia into scumtelling.

I was never a fan of the wagon yesterday and I'm not going to assist in creating another unmovable wagon so early in the day. But I agree, I should at least have my vote active out here.

Vote NorwegianboyEE

Different55 · 2019-10-19 14:41:59

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

Now you just need to explain why you suspect me and you're in the game Diff.

Partially because you drove the peace wagon using the "he's playing his scum game" excuse that everyone echoed back at each other and it got a townie lynched. Easily possible that's an accident, but, like JaWapa pointed out, at one point you said that you didn't care if he was a townie. PR or not we need townies.

Also partially just the aggressiveness of your play style this game. If you were scum you'd be in a good position to do what Mutantdevle (and you, I guess) have tried to do in past games.

Different55 · 2019-10-19 16:24:00

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

@TaskManager
So you and i started the wagon and we both believed it was very likely that Peace was scum.
Don't you find it interesting how Different55 targets me as the suspicious one when you were attempting to lynch Peace with about the same amount of conviction as i did?

I thought you were the one who started the wagon (considering Task says he used your reasoning to vote for him, sounds like you started the wagon even without voting for him first), and it was your reasoning that everyone recycled to keep the wagon rolling.

I'm not saying you're scum, I'm saying I don't like the way you're playing and it makes me suspicious. More than anyone else at the moment who doesn't already have the beginnings of a wagon going on them.

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

Btw i'm a townie. Haha! I claimed it! Now there's no way i'm mafia!!

...This isn't helping. D1 is over now, even Kira claims he's going to be getting serious.

The wagon on Peace was obviously backed by maf. L-1 twice within 4 hours. That should have been *everyone's* giant neon sign that we were on the wrong track. But everyone pushed on, you notably claiming that you didn't care that Peace was probably a townie. Not because he said so, but because the maf was obviously pushing for that particular lynch.

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

Or to rephrase it: Different55 blames me solely for the Peace wagon (as can be evidenced from his vote on me and his complaining about my "aggression"), when there were a lot of other people loudly criticizing Peace and openly speculating that he might be scum.

Again, all parroting your reasoning. You drove that wagon. Whether intentionally or by simply being wrong, either is possible and I'm not against you for that reason alone. My problem with you is your reaction and attitude surrounding all of the events of yesterday.

mrjawapa

Different55 · 2019-10-19 19:50:48

Care to actually expand on what makes me suspicious or did one of my paranoid shots in the dark actually hit?

Different55 · 2019-10-19 20:02:55

I find it just a bit suspicious how I went from being generally a town-leaning guy to someone high on 2 scum lists. Wonder if they're trying to do for me what they did for Peace yesterday. Plenty of people didn't vote yesterday, it only takes a simple majority to end the day and I was never convinced that peace was scum (rightfully) so I'm not sure why it's so shocking.

Daneeko wrote:

how does lynching kira give info about diff? i'm probably missing something here, but i'd like to know

Probably because I chose to vote for Norboy instead of the active wagon Kira, despite saying that I wasn't intert in contributing to another wagon that will be hard to get out of. Vote closer to the end of the day, don't lock us into something early by stuffing all our votes in one basket and making it impossible to be flexible.

Different55 · 2019-10-19 20:40:31

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

You seem to be flaunting the fact that you didn't join the wagon on Peace. Mafia already knows who is scum and who isn't. Nothing is stopping scum players from not voting and then going "told you so!" at the end of it and blaming it on the town players that drove the wagon. What you're saying is not something that will prove your innocence.

ye cause I am. Nobody stops maf from doing that, nothing stops town from finding someone else to lynch instead of just going along with the mafia for a lynch just because "ah well he could be scum and it's too much effort to change all our votes now"

Different55 · 2019-10-19 20:40:48

am flaunting the fact that I didn't join the wagon*

Different55 · 2019-10-20 01:35:51

NoNK wrote:

Diff has more votes than norwegianboy despite the popular opinion seemingly tending towards norwegianboy

Smart money's on holding off so we don't have a repeat of yesterday where everything screamed that we were making the wrong choice and went along anyway. Only those trying to get a repeat would be trying to pile on already.

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

Q2: I play much more aggressively as town. It's not alignment indicative. In fact, playing passively is my scum M.O. It was only in universe mafia that i tried to emulate my town playstyle as scum. Shouldn't you be aware of that, as you were my former scum teammate in that game?

So you're saying as maf you would have no choice but to play aggressively. Anything else would be an immediate tell. This is meaningless.

Also would like to point out that

NoNK wrote:

The fact that diff thinks he was townleaning is a grade B+ yikes

Yeah. Norboy was town reading me too til you guys decided otherwise. Norboy over here literally asked me to vote so he could townread me like he wanted to before somehow managing to twist that into a reason to scumread me. Other people generally agree with me or townread me. So yeah. Town leaning at least, except for you anyway.

Different55 · 2019-10-20 02:38:06

There currently isn't much of a wagon to have grown. I voted for Norboy because I didn't want to contribute to a wagon and Norboy was the scummiest person to not already have his own started. Kira agreed he was a bit scummy.

On the flip side, 3 people all swapped their votes from Kira to me within a few hours. That's the kind of movement we should've seen yesterday with peace when we realized we were wrong. Daneeko's likely just along for the ride but the other two? Especially Norboy's whiplash-inducing 180° on me? I don't have a nice convenient excuse for that.

mrjawapa

Different55 · 2019-10-20 03:16:04

O dang not even a few hours. Like 15 minutes. Norboy set the first vote at :31, Daneeko was in by :47. That's some speed right there.

Different55 · 2019-10-20 13:49:02

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

Also that point about me being scummy for posting a lot? Wtf lol.

I'm not even sure how you're trying to pull that out of "speedvoted for me"

Daneeko wrote:

Different55 wrote:
There currently isn't much of a wagon to have grown. I voted for Norboy because I didn't want to contribute to a wagon and Norboy was the scummiest person to not already have his own started. Kira agreed he was a bit scummy.
On the flip side, 3 people all swapped their votes from Kira to me within a few hours. That's the kind of movement we should've seen yesterday with peace when we realized we were wrong. Daneeko's likely just along for the ride but the other two? Especially Norboy's whiplash-inducing 180° on me? I don't have a nice convenient excuse for that.
you seem to be implying that we should immediately believe someone when they roleclaim, sure peace flipped green but most of us were convinced peace was lynchworthy (despite norweg not caring about that, which i still find confusing)

My dude how many times have I said that the speed and intensity of the wagon was a glowing neon sign with *nobody* disagreeing with me? We all agree that wagon was backed by scum. And what happened? Y'all went along with it anyway. With Norboy in particular outright saying he didn't care.

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

Also Diff, how many times do i need to say that i never had a strong townread on you?

Dearest, you can say it as many times as you want but we're not allowed to edit posts here. Anyone who ISOs you and views your posts in context with mine can see it.

Different55 · 2019-10-20 13:58:42

Also @Shadow I'm being aggressive today because I feel aggressively attacked. Again, 3 votes in 15 minutes all swapped from another person will do that to a guy. Especially when that guy is as paranoid as I've been for this game.

Another thing to point out that Norboy only seems aggressive when it suits maf. He aggressively went after peace despite the signs that he was town. Unlike anyone else who negligently-or-otherwise didn't remove their vote, he specifically said he didn't even care if he was town. He was pretty passively town-leaning against me, no matter how he tries to spin it now, until I place my vote on him (which, I even said in my vote post he wasn't my most suspect person. I was just avoiding a wagon we'd get stuck in. Sure is now though) and suddenly I'm the scummiest guy in the game for having legitimate, 100% understandable suspicions about him. He's even tried to twist my actions that he himself prompted (saying that that was all he needed to happily townread me) as evidence I'm scum.

Onjit

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