Mafia 33 [Friday Wins!]

mutantdevle · 2019-10-14 11:09:49

Rules (Stolen from Onjit):

1. Respect everyone, it's just a game, don't be a jerk.
2. Do not gamethrow. Play your role to win even if it seems dire, you never know what might happen.
3. Only discuss the game in this thread, or threads I assign to you.
4. Dead men tell no tales. Please use the graveyard thread if you have been eliminated.
5. Make all night actions via PM to me.
6. Don't use the mod text color please.
7. Try to post at least once every 24 hours.
8. Days will last 72 hours, nights will last 24 hours.
9. If you break the rules I will be rather bad-tempered or difficult to deal with (informal North American adjective).
10. Have fun!

For further rules read this: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p … meSpecific

The rules are pretty much common sense tbh. I reserve the right to punish you for doing anything that breaks the game even if it is not explicitly stated here.

The setup is this: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9%2B%2B

I have used a random number generator to get 7 numbers. These numbers then decide what roles are in the game. If you do not fully understand how the setup works then all you need to know is that the only roles possible are listed in the 'example roles' section of that link. I will be using the role PMs stated there.

- Despite what is implied in the example roles, all PTs in this game will be open both day and night.

The players whomst are alive:

3. ZeldaXD
7. TaskManager
8. Daneeko
9. ShadowsEdge
13. NoNK

Those whomst reside in the grave:

peace the vanilla townie died day 1.
Crybaby the vanilla townie died night 1.
NorwegianboyEE the Doctor died day 2.
Kira the vanilla townie died night 2.
Slabdrill the vanilla townie died night 2.
Onjit the Serial Killer died day 3.
Different55 the 1-shot vig died night 3.
mrjawapa the vanilla townie died day 4.

Onjit

ZeldaXD · 2019-10-16 20:35:22

Oh this already started and there are 6 pages, I'll go through reading them now.

ZeldaXD · 2019-10-16 20:57:29

Ok so after reading the thread including the **** my main two suspects for anti-town roles are Peace and Jawapa.
1. Peace because he is acting, as Norwegianboy, said in a similar to fashion as how he acts when he is scum. Peace when town does not vote on someone as quickly as he did this time, where he voted Norwegianboy without thinking much about it. I'd place my vote on Peace right now but I don't know the current vote count (mutantdevle please vote count) and we still have time for discussion.
2. Jawapa because he's acting different than in previous games (also read this). I find it odd that Jawapa has not suggested to policy-lynch Peace as he always does, it would perhaps make sense if they're a team.
I'm also suspecting mutantdevle because he is not trying to solve the game as he did in previous games.

ZeldaXD · 2019-10-19 17:31:08

I disagree with the "Kira is scum" narrative, we know by experience that Kira does a lot of sus things and seemingly unlogical stuff when he is town (the best example is the last game (not voice mafia))... Kira is intelligent enough to know what his posts look like to others, I doubt scum kira would quickly go to lynch the person who initiated a wagon against a townie. Shadows' behaviour is the same every game imo, he never actually pushes for lynches unless he is very sure, just gives his input (often very good).

ZeldaXD · 2019-10-20 21:30:09

Ok I'm going to post my thoughts within the next few hours.

ZeldaXD · 2019-10-21 02:45:23

I would expect the scum team to try to position themselves as the seemingly most helpful members of the town and try to lean us on the direction they want, basic manipulation tactics. I believe Norwegianboy tries to set up the town psychologically with reverse-psychology thinking. It’s alright when another player, when attempting to understand the reasoning behind your posts, takes into account reverse psychology (“but would he REALLY do that?”) but when you do it YOURSELF about the motivations of your own behaviour it certainly looks like you’re conditioning the town’s thinking, and not in a good way.

Examples of this behaviour:
“Kira don't be so simple-minded. While i did indeed raise suspicion on Peace, that doesn't implicate me as the villain here.” and “Wouldn't it be a **** strategy if me and NoNK was on the same scumteam and we'd both risk our lives on voting someone that we know will flip green?”

I also don’t like how confident Norboy and NoNK are of eachother’s townishness, and even more so how confident NoNK was about Kira being mafia. He said “Kira is mafia”, no “may” or “could be”, Kira is mafia. Norwegianboy suddenly dropping all his charges against Different55 is also suspicious as if he was trying to backpedal on his aggressive behaviour when he is being called out for it. NoNK and Norboy also fit this description of trying to position themselves as town leaders and as being the most interested on solving the game.

I have been reading the thread over and over for quite a few hours and I didn’t come to much else conclusive regarding anyone else. Daneeko does have that sheep behaviour Jawapa described, he just seems to follow the people who he thinks are town leaders (which only reinforces what I said previously). Kira is doing typical Kira things. Shadows is perhaps my most trusted player right now, because his behaviour aligns well with the previous games where he was town, not compromising on much, but different to when he was mafia in TFR, because there he actually pushed on voting.

Different55, Onjit, ShadowsEdge, Slabdrill

ZeldaXD · 2019-10-22 18:10:57

Okay so why did Jawapa, Daneeko and NoNK vote for Norboy after he claimed Doctor? And why did nobody else other than Shadows take off their vote?

ZeldaXD · 2019-10-22 18:25:42

TaskManager wrote:

oh wow what
i think the most likely scenario is that we have/had a vigilante that shot kira
i don't blame them, honestly, if i was vigi i'd shoot kira too lol
at first i assumed that is mafia's kill and had a hard time figuring out why would mafia ever target kira
also i'll admit that i too thought norboy could be actual scum at the end of the day when he just refused to cooperate anymore
norboy can you like not do that again
we could have lynched someone else if you didnt go full scummy mode in the end
unless we have a cop that found something and is willing to share, i propose we lynch daneeko
cause i frankly have no idea at the moment

I think we should investigate Onjit-NoNK-Daneeko connections. I'd be up for lynching Daneeko, see post 534 (2 minutes before NoNK hammers Norboy).

Different55, Onjit

ZeldaXD · 2019-10-22 18:27:15

mrjawapa wrote:

Oh **** off. Why did he not remove his vote when peace claimed vanilla townie?

Because Vanilla Townie is really useless to claim at the start of the game when there are more than 1 vanilla townies, because anyone could precisely claim Vanilla Townie and nobody could counterclaim it. Do I really need to explain that?

ZeldaXD · 2019-10-23 08:46:08

NoNK wrote:

I feel like determining zelda's alignment is the key to solving this game

What do you think would be the game solution considering I am town?

ZeldaXD · 2019-10-24 08:23:33

Why should we believe you when you say you are going to help town, Onjit?

ZeldaXD · 2019-10-24 15:00:38

!vote Onjit

I hope this is the correct choice.

ZeldaXD · 2019-10-24 15:05:14

Mafia

ZeldaXD · 2019-10-24 15:15:52

Onjit wrote:

ZeldaXD wrote:
Mafia
Interesting that you think I'll flip mafia. Why is that?

YOU are the one who started all this WITHOUT ANY **** REASONING. Why are you destructing my life? Hmm. No matter if you're mafia, or town in the game, you're the true villain for sure!

Onjit, Slabdrill

ZeldaXD · 2019-10-24 15:23:48

If Onjit is actually the cop I will be **** **** OFF AND RIGHTLY SO.

Onjit, Different55

ZeldaXD · 2019-10-25 21:16:56

ZeldaXD · 2019-10-25 21:34:10

There are 2 mafia and 4 town left, and the majority is 4 to reach a lynch. If two townies place a vote on some other townies then mafia can quickly hammer by adding their votes so please do not vote until we've reach a consensus on whom is scum. I am town, so there are the following possible raw mafia pairs:

{mrjawapa, Taskmanager}
{mrjawapa, Daneeko}
{mrjawapa, ShadowsEdge}
{mrjawapa, NoNK}
{Taskmanager, Daneeko}
{Taskmanager, ShadowsEdge}
{Taskmanager, NoNK}
{Daneeko, ShadowsEdge}
{Daneeko, NoNK}
{ShadowsEdge, NoNK}

Previously I stated that NoNK-Onjit-Daneeko connections should be investigated, I was right about Onjit, but I have my doubts about NoNK now after he helped uncover Onjit's fakeclaim, which helped town get a scum lynched, so I'm now townreading NoNK. About Daneeko, I'll leave them null.
So applying a filter where NoNK is town:

{mrjawapa, Taskmanager}
{mrjawapa, Daneeko}
{mrjawapa, ShadowsEdge}
{Taskmanager, Daneeko}
{Taskmanager, ShadowsEdge}
{Daneeko, ShadowsEdge}

Regarding TaskManager, he has been helpful throughout the game in my opinion and I have a slight town-read for him.
So applying a filter where TaskManager is town:

{mrjawapa, Daneeko}
{mrjawapa, ShadowsEdge}
{Daneeko, ShadowsEdge}

I will BE **** **** AND RIGHTLY SO if NoNK and Taskmanager are not town.
In my opinion, {mrjawapa, ShadowsEdge} is the most likely scum pair, we need to remember TFR and not to underestimate ShadowsEdge, he is very good giving input to look like town, but he does the same in games where he's town and in games where he's scum, so it's difficult to read. Task's post about ShadowsEdge-jawapa connection is good.

ZeldaXD · 2019-10-25 21:37:02

TaskManager wrote:

yes zelda we get it youre good at spreadsheets
can you provide actual input now

Is that above post better?

ZeldaXD · 2019-10-25 21:54:46

Also, after reading Daneeko's iso, I'm more willing to move him to slight town-read, he has been under a lot of fire throughout the game with a lot of people trying to get him lynched, but he barely defends himself if he defends himself at all, other people rather defend him. It reads like he does not care about being lynched and more like a "whatever", if he was part of a scum duo where he has 50% of the responsibility, I don't think he would act like that, but would rather act more nervous and try to defend himself more often.

ZeldaXD · 2019-10-25 22:57:50

NoNK, Daneeko, Taskmanager: Unless there are any objections I think we should proceed to lynch Jawapa. I will place my vote after NoNK's.

ZeldaXD · 2019-10-25 23:02:42

!vote mrjawapa

ZeldaXD · 2019-10-25 23:12:07

gg, give graveyard pt and mafia pt mutant

ZeldaXD · 2019-10-25 23:16:56

Is there a Graveyard PT?

ZeldaXD · 2019-10-25 23:56:40

I always seem to half-solve the game (initially suspecting NoNK, then dropping it and then suspecting Shadows) but never fully solve it.

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