Mafia 31 [Mafia Win]

Norwee · 2019-09-21 21:41:18

ShadowsEdge wrote:

I've said before that I suspect you because you're quick to claim me as scum. You could have chosen anyone, yet you chose me specifically, disregarding the opinions of others, and focusing heavily on me.

I chose you because i know from past experience that you could be a potential major threat to the town as a scum player. One could always go the same old route of policy voting Peace or Anatoly, but if they are scum i don't think they would be a danger to the towncore, you however could be. That's why my initial plan was to quickly sort you into a townread by putting you under pressure with the RVS vote and getting the game started with some discussion other than "Hey, come! Let's lynch the annoying!" like Anatoly would put it.

ShadowsEdge wrote:

You disregard every point I make, and focus on the idea of me being Mafia. But for what? Especially on Day 1 you would know not to go so quickly into pushing a lynch on someone. And on the point of something you've made, I've mentioned how you're playing this game differently to last game. You're much more aggressive, whereas last game you put suspicion unto Luka for being aggressive, this game, you're openly being aggressive and taking charge on someone you don't even have definite proof of being Mafia. You went straight into a lynch against me, contrary to last game, where, again, you waited to gather more information before making a stance. Whereas in this game, you quickly jumped onto the idea that I must be mafia because my posts have a slightly scummy attribute to them.

Aggressiveness is a vital tool in making sure scum-hunting yields results, I've played many mafia games off-site and have since solidified the lesson i learned in the last EE mafia game of what happens when one fails to properly push one's scumreads and the town loses the game as a result. Behaving differently from the last game isn't necessarily a surefire scumtell, and if it is. Then that makes the player in question a bad player since they can be easily read in seconds based on their meta playing style. Might i also remind you that "waiting for information" in the last EE mafia game is what put me off the initial trail i had on Luka504 and consequently 2B55B5G TNG? Players whom were later revealed to be scum? What exactly am i doing wrong here, when you yourself admit that a portion of your posts seem scummy, yet that somehow makes me suspicious because i pick up on it and pressure you based on it?

Shadowsedge wrote:

I've admitted to having such traits to my post, but what am I supposed to do to fix it? I've been marked from last game, because I'll always be a suspect because of how I played last game. So I went about things the way I thought I should. I find you suspicious because you don't look at an alternative, you hold strictly onto the idea that I have to be mafia, and disregard any opinion of a possibility that I could be town. You did mention it at one point, I'll say that, but mentioning the alternative isn't the same as exploring the alternative, You mention it once, and call it quits there. Thereafter you stick to the idea you've been holding onto the entire day.

What about your behavior has been townie so far? I'm trying to pick up on it, but i can't see it. I hate to repeat this to you again, but you've said yourself that your posts "have a slightly scummy attribute to them." I'm not sure if you're trying to dig your own grave or what. But almost nothing about your behavior in this entire game has seemed logical.

ShadowsEdge wrote:

So yes, I have suspicions on you. While they aren't any definite scum tells, I'll admit, at least I'm admitting the idea that there's a possibility you could be town. I don't hold strictly onto the idea that you're Mafia, I proposed the idea, but I'm not heavily enforcing it. So take with it what you will.

This might be the only point you've made that makes me feel better about your slot. I don't think scum under pressure would avoid an opportunity to paint the accuser as maybe being town rather than claiming the attack on them is 100% scum motivated. I still wouldn't leave it behind me for you to be capable of playing this way as scum. But from the moment i'm writing this, i'll take a moment to reconsider your slot and take a look at the bigger picture.

Norwee · 2019-09-21 22:03:30

I’ll analyze reads on players and respond to Shadow tommorow. Night.

Norwee · 2019-09-22 07:19:36

So now Shadow’s main point is that i am only focusing on him. Look at the activity chart, who’s been posting the most here? Anatoly, Shadow, and me. Anatoly i think he’s town, because only dumb town would reveal their own universe for no reason. Everyone else hasn’t posted as much. Except for Luka and Mutantdevle. Mutant seems more eager to solve the game in this than the "oh i’m so busy, just don’t care about solving this." Attitude from the last game, so he’s a townlean. Luka idk, maybe he’s scum coasting along my opinions, but i think he could also be sharing my aggressive style and wants to solve the game. Barring any flips, i’m not sure i want to scumread him yet. Everyone else will have to start talkin for me to form a stronger read on them. Mutant’s post also made me consider that perhaps the mafia is just watching from the sidelines and not bothering with this whole drama. That might be my biggest concern and reason to reconsider my read on Shadow.

Norwee · 2019-09-22 09:26:24

Anatoly is such an easy noncommital wagon, we should lynch someone who’se flip will have actual meaning. Shadow has objectively been the most suspicious and scummy out of everyone here so far. We all know Anatoly’s character, his slot is easy to push as a counter-wagon.

Norwee · 2019-09-22 09:44:29

Anatoly, random voting isn’t smart. You should place your votes based on who’s acting the most scummy in your eyes, if everyone voted randomly then the town would have a much bigger chance of hitting townies than scum.

Norwee · 2019-09-22 11:41:34

Anatoly wrote:

mrjawapa, Kira, Andymakeer, NorwegianboyEE, Luka504:
if youll switch over to me ill be hammering myself so there wont be a second vicitim in d1. though its not the best start though.

Why are you calling out those people in particular?

Norwee · 2019-09-22 11:48:08

You are self-destructing Anatoly, you can't really blame us for that.

Norwee · 2019-09-22 11:56:49

Go take a cold shower and rethink your strategy Anatoly, if you're town then you're just repeating my failing in the last game.

Norwee · 2019-09-22 11:57:42

Lmao.

Norwee · 2019-09-22 12:02:07

Antoly's behaviour doesn't seem like it would be helpful for either the town or mafia so idk wtf he's doing.
I'm down for lynching either Shadow or Anatoly at this point.

Norwee · 2019-09-22 12:07:20

Luka504 wrote:

Gonna be honest, I see this chimp-out as more of a town-lean than anything else, but god is it annoying.
Iirc the last time he had a meltdown he was a townie, and I don't view Anatoly as clever enough to be able to fake it if he was a mafia.

Yeah, but we could always go the classic school of thought that is "Lynch Peace + Anatoly. Then actually start playing real mafia."

Norwee · 2019-09-22 12:21:04

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

I want to ask Norboy about his vote. Why did you lynch Shadow at first? Is it only because he fooled us all in the previous game?

I placed a RVS vote on him precisely because of the reason you listed. Shadow then reacted to it, so i thought i'd pressure him to see his responses.
You might have heard the term thrown around here already, RVS is basically votes that are put without much reason usually at the start of day 1 purely to spur discussion and use that discussion to find scum. Either by analyzing the reaction of the person who has been voted or the reaction of those around him. Who defends him? Who attacks him? Why? Etc...

2b55b5g

Norwee · 2019-09-22 12:21:52

Uh no Anatoly. That list has nothing to do with this. >_>

Norwee · 2019-09-22 14:04:43

Seems a bit sudden of Mutant to strongly sheep Kira like that. And claiming it is "always a good idea" to do so. I'm also not sure how Mutant derided from the discussion so far that Luka is town and i'm a null-read.

Norwee · 2019-09-22 14:39:40

Anatoly wrote:

Norweg I cooled down: I don't know how to proof I'm town. Maybe you can help me: What was the mistake you did last game?

Thinking people would care about my reads once i'm dead. That was my mistake. It is inherently anti-town to vote for yourself. Not necessarily alignment indicative, but encouraging your own mislynch doesn't help achieve your own or other townies win condition.

Anatoly wrote:

Ah - and about the drifter - any thoughts?

This speculation favors scum more than town. I personally think Crybaby might be a townlean, but he hasn't shown enough activity for me to solidify that read by any means.

Norwee · 2019-09-22 15:08:34

Anatoly wrote:

what: I'm sorry I don't understand you - may you please elaborate?

Guessing you're referring to the role speculation part. I'm saying that role speculation at this point is something which scum would be more interested in, townies should mainly focus on lynching scum.

Norwee · 2019-09-22 17:08:45

Why specifically Andymakeer? There's loads of kinda inactive people that probably observe but don't give much input themselves.
234+244=Bricks
Also, Luka seems like town.

Norwee · 2019-09-22 18:00:48

Crybaby wrote:

I'm not perfect, and I probably missed some information there, but I just wanted to get that off my chest.

But who lynch?

Norwee · 2019-09-22 18:17:27

I don't understand why Mutant and Kira think we'll change our votes or unvote when the whole justification is "Why don't you guys just trust us now for seemingly no reason?"

Norwee · 2019-09-22 18:31:17

mutantdevle wrote:

Besides, I thought you were town reading me? If that is true, then why am I not worthy of your trust?

If i'm right about my suspicion, then you might be a confirmed town. But i can't just leave it as is without considering the other possibility.
I guess Andy could objectively be a good lynch option, i'm just wary of the ones that suggested it.

Norwee · 2019-09-22 18:32:35

So meh.
Vote Andymakeer

Norwee · 2019-09-22 21:25:28

It’ll be 4 at night when the deadline reaches in my timezone, so don’t expect to hear much more from me. My vote stays on Andy. Night.

Norwee · 2019-09-24 06:43:29

Mutant, Kira. Wtf?

Norwee · 2019-09-24 07:03:53

I only trusted you two because you were breadcrumbing town masons. Clearly that wasn’t a very wise choice of me. But i don’t see any other possibility since i don’t think scum would be so open about obviously teaming up to push a relatively sudden lynch through.

Norwee · 2019-09-24 08:25:37

@Mutant
Why would you trust that Kira wasn't scum trying to create a counter-wagon? It seems odd to me how eager you were to co-operate with him.

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