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Re: Mafia 29: The French Revolution MAFIA + JESTER WIN!

1. the "i just decided to be less active this time" one. I understand that you occasionally have periods of inactivity (the start of the d2 was fine, for example), but without knowing exactly why claiming that you're trying to solve the game less than normal for no reason reeks of scum.

I'm not deciding to be less active... I mean, I guess you could say I could 'choose' to put more time into mafia than other things but it's not a conscious "I'm going to avoid mafia because I want to do this instead!". And I'm not trying to solve the game less, that's the whole point I was making. I'm trying to solve this game just as much as I was in purgatory I just have less motivation to both because of irl factors and the lacklustre setup (compared to the previous game).

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mutantdevle

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Re: Mafia 29: The French Revolution MAFIA + JESTER WIN!

you forgot your team mates mutant and zumza obv mistake?

Zumza is dead.

Peace isn't smart enough to add in a detail like this. I'm now confident that peace is town.

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mutantdevle

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Re: Mafia 29: The French Revolution MAFIA + JESTER WIN!

Taskmanager town, peace town, Slabdrill town, Shadow town.

If you trust that I'm town that leaves Bimps, Zelda and 2B55 as the mafia; -1 if Crybaby was disguiser.

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mutantdevle

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Re: Mafia 29: The French Revolution MAFIA + JESTER WIN!

TaskManager, I haven't read your case on Bimps but can I just ask: is it mostly about how he doesn't justify/give reasoning behind anything?

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mutantdevle

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Re: Mafia 29: The French Revolution MAFIA + JESTER WIN!

I think this is your first post of your recent interaction with bimps:

God dammit I want to lynch zelda but people are getting killed too fast for that to be safe

!vote TaskManager

Back to this one

How's that safe lol

Was there any reason to believe that Zelda was the disguiser? I actually had the opposite opinion at the time - Zelda was the safe lynch and Task was a lynch to push when there's time to discuss. I don't understand why Bimps would think Zelda is the disguiser.

Btw Task, what exactly is it that you want me to look at in your interactions with Bimps? Is your point that we should lynch bimps before the other people that I'm suspicious of?

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mutantdevle

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Re: Mafia 29: The French Revolution MAFIA + JESTER WIN!

Maybe you'll be able to draw some reads out of it

Is your point that we should lynch bimps before the other people that I'm suspicious of?

Bimps is your #1 lynch candidate so how does that make a difference?

That's my point, I already scum read bimps the most so I was confused why you wanted me to look at your interactions so badly. From reading your interactions all it's done is given me more confidence in my Bimps and Zelda scum reads which is nice for personal reassurance I suppose. I still don't really have any reason to scum read 2B55 other than process of elemination. But nobody has really argued against any of my town reads/given me reason not to trust them.

Do you think any of the conclusions I've already came to are wrong? Because unless there's something I'm badly missing I don't see how Bimps-Zelda-2B55 are not the scum team. It's possible that Crybaby was disguiser but I'm personally not going to believe that unless someone else claims veteran because I don't recall Crybaby ever showing signs of being a disguiser.

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mutantdevle

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Re: Mafia 29: The French Revolution MAFIA + JESTER WIN!

devle just said 4 people were town with 0 reasoning

Lol I literally gave my reasoning for peace being town as the read formed in my brain. But I guess that's 0 reasoing. I think it's also fairly obvious why I town read Task.

But yeah, I get your point. I did have explanations as to why I town read Slabdrill and Shadow in my case against TaskManager and Zelda but I deleted the entire post when I saw Task's lookout claim.

So here you go, here's the reason why I town read each player:

▼TaskManager

He claimed. No one has counter claimed. There is no plausible reasons why someone would not counterclaim at this point in the game.

▼Peace

you forgot your team mates mutant and zumza obv mistake?

Zumza is dead.

Peace isn't smart enough to add in a detail like this. I'm now confident that peace is town.

If peace was mafia then I think he'd be more aware that Zumza is dead considering the mafia killed Zumza. So unless you think that peace intentionally added this detail to make us think he made a mistake - something I believe that peace is not capable of - then peace is fundamentally town. I think this is what you call a derp-clear.

By the way, didn't you derp-clear me earlier? Why the sudden change in read if you really thought I was that townie earlier?

Additionally, in Railmat's failure of a game I was on a team with peace. In the mafia chat he was constantly asking questions and worrying about the way he conducts himself (more evidence that him thinking Zumza was alive was a genuine mistake). This showed in the game thread where he seemed very unsure of what he was doing and saying. In this game, just like how he's been in every game he's town, he's very clearly not been so worried.

In this game he's made conclusions. He's asked questions in the game thread rather than in the PT (which he 100% would have done if he was mafia as he's so heavily reliant on reassurance from his teammates). And he's shown confidence in what he's saying. These are all just random examples I pulled out from scrolling through and skim reading his iso. I'm sure I can find many many more posts by peace that prove how genuine and not worried he is about his posting which he is not capable of fabricating.

▼ShadowsEdge

Shadow is easily one of the towniest players in the game. They've consistently had great contributions and frequently posted reads. They've shown a strong desire to solve the game. And they have documented their thought process throughout the game so you can clearly see that all their opinions are natural. None of what Shadow has said has either had a scummy vibe or shown any sign of being fake. So Shadow is either very very good at faking their opinions or is just very natural in how they explain their thought process. Honestly, the fact that I can point out so many of their posts that are significantly townie is the perfect exemplar of how townie they are. Can you honestly point to any of these posts and tell me they come from a scum motivation?

▼Slabdrill

At the very start of the game Norwegianboy literally got himself lynched, even actively encouraging votes on himself, to get his point across that Slabdrill is town. His main point was that, since Slabdrill was so popular as a candidate and very few people were defending him, it was likely that Slabdrill was town as the mafia would probably have made more of an effort to get the lynch away from him (his efforts in doing so is mostly why I suspected him). And you know what? His points were very valid. We saw how popular wagons are scummy from purgatorEE. But none of us listened to him because there were no alternative wagons so he literally used himself as the alternative wagon. Furthermore, he also suspected me, Task and jawapa as mafia. Task isn't mafia. Jawapa isn't mafia. I know that I'm not mafia. So if Slabdrill was mafia then that would mean that norwegianboy would have been wrong about literally everything he said. Norwegianboy is easily one of the best players on EE mafia and I don't believe for a second that he was wrong about everything. It's especially noteworthy that Norwegianboy has barely been spoken about after his death so clearly there's something he said that the mafia don't want to be brought back up.

As for Slabdrill himself, I don't think anyone has ever had a reason to consider him scummy. The lynch on him was entirely policy. Granted, he's not done anything too townie - he never does - but there are general 'town tells' he's given off. Eg. right at the start of the game, he really didn't seem to bothered about being lynched. This is not the kind of post scum who wants to survive makes. Sure, Slabdrill never seems to care much. But I'd have thought he'd care at least a little bit more than usual as scum when other people are more directly depending on him. They've also made somewhat of an effort to solve the game whilst having 0 scummy posts. So given Norwegian's points about Slabdrill, this kind of contribution is good enough for me.

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mutantdevle

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Re: Mafia 29: The French Revolution MAFIA + JESTER WIN!

The fact that people are pushing me and not devle is a sign that they're maf and I'm town

I'm not the only player not being pushed, so why am I scum in particular? Besides, I'm pretty sure I currently have the most votes with numerous people calling me scum. So I don't get where you're getting this idea that I'm not being pushed from.

You literally described me as being derpcleared earlier. What happened to that? You also said you derpcleared shadow. You have no reason to scum read either Slabdrill or peace so you quite clearly don't disagree with the conclusions I've made about them all. And with TaskManager now being proven town by his claim you've properly backed yourself into a corner. You've played a pretty good game but your flaw is that you let too many people get widely town read. But I guess that's what happens when you make safe night kills.

I'm just gonna place my vote now. To be honest, I'm not so sure there's anything that can change my mind at this point other than any extra PR claims.

!vote Bimps

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mutantdevle

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Re: Mafia 29: The French Revolution MAFIA + JESTER WIN!

And yeah I'm gonna be so **** if no one is counterclaiming task.

Why would that annoy you? lol. Surely no one counterclaiming is a good thing because it literally gives us a confirmed townie.

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mutantdevle

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Re: Mafia 29: The French Revolution MAFIA + JESTER WIN!

-2 if zumza was disguiser you forgot him sure disgyuiser coudl siguise into a villager right?

Zumza was shot by the mafia. I find it unlikely that the mafia would shoot their own disguiser. But even if they did then that would still be -1 since there's only 1 disguiser.

Otherwise I highly encourage you to put your vote on them.

You've literally not given any reasons why.

The fact that maf hasn't quickhammered yet makes me believe that we have gotten the disguiser, or both mutant and peace are mafia.

That's actually a fairly decent point. Though it's entirely possible the mafia just haven't all been online at the same time. Though I do question why you miss out bimps here? All it takes is 1 of the 3 of us who are voting (who are not TaskManager) to be mafia to mean that they wouldn't be in a position to quick hammer.

alos is there a connection wiht zumza's detah and ele's death? ele is descibled as a vanilla townie in the user list while zumza is just a villager

I think you're reading too much into it. I recall the mod saying earlier that they just mistakenly put vanilla townie instead of villager so I assume they just forgot to change it in the OP.

also i don think the janitor has done anythgin yet in the game

And it's very good that they haven't because even if they cleaned a vanilla townie then it would have put some doubt into Task's claim. So they really screwed up there.

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mutantdevle

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Re: Mafia 29: The French Revolution MAFIA + JESTER WIN!

@Town, since many of you believe 2B to be Mutant's/Bimps's teammate (whichever of these two turns out to be mafia), do you think lynching 2B today would be a safe bet?

I'd certainly consider it safe, yes. But only if we feel like we need more time to solve the game. As far as I'm concerned, the solve for this game is whether y'all lynch me or Bimps since the rest of the mafia team is pretty obvious and that's the impression I get from most other players here including Bimps himself. That decision is still going to be there tommorow where getting it wrong means we still lose the game. The only difference is that tommorow we'd have no confirmed townie.

So if no decision can really be reached then we should definitely lynch 2B55. But this game is still going to come down to between lynching either me or Bimps in the end and the question is whether you think there's more information to be had out of the 2 of us. (And by 'you' and I mean specifically you Task since, as the confirmed townie, rolling this decision over to the next day is pretty much entirely down to you).

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mutantdevle

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Re: Mafia 29: The French Revolution MAFIA + JESTER WIN!

having this responsibility on my hands feels not cool at all

Relatable.

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mutantdevle

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Re: Mafia 29: The French Revolution MAFIA + JESTER WIN!

It's cool that you feel the need to attack my alignment in this game when my post is very clearly in reference to previous games where I've been in 'king-maker' situations numerous times.

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mutantdevle

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Re: Mafia 29: The French Revolution MAFIA + JESTER WIN!

I got so mad at Mutant and 2B55, they both made references to me being Mafia despite there being no suspicion on me.

I feel that the way I did it was a perfectly natural thing to say and wasn't really suggesting you could be mafia at all. And whilst what 2B55 said was very artificial it never would have reflected poorly on you and instead just points to his own reads being fake.

If you had listened to Bimps' shotcalling you'd have probably won the game. He was the first one to suspect ShadowsEdge and Mutant, and tried his hardest to push for their lynches.

It's a shame he's not so good at pushing his opinions. Essentially shouting at people that they're wrong and complaining that no one is listening to you doesn't tend to get people to follow you. He definitely deserves a little credit for at least being right about some things though.

GG. I owe a lot to my teammates. My lack of activity at one point almost got me lynched but their actions helped prevent that. Shadow played flawlessly in this game and 2B55 was going pretty strong and only faltering slightly at the end there because he posted too much to be consistent. It's also super satisfying to get a perfect victory without any of us even having to use our roles in any meaningful way . To be honest, we got quite lucky in how all the PRs were dealt with.

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mutantdevle

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Re: Mafia 29: The French Revolution MAFIA + JESTER WIN!

I agree that we did just get very lucky.

I think we played a good enough game so that we probably still would have won. It would just have been that only you would have survived rather than all 3 of us.

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