Mafia 27: PurgatorEE [GAME OVER!]

Processor · 2019-07-28 19:04:19

mutantdevle wrote:

Oh, and you want more evidence of Onjit being sketchy? I saw Onjit online twice today on 2 separate occasions. On the second occasion, I watched a 10 minute youtube video before refreshing the page and he was still online. I had hoped that he was writing a post in that time but quite clearly I guess this thread isn't important enough for him.

That shows he is inactive in mafia. So what?

@NorwegianboyEE what criticism would you like me to address?

Processor · 2019-07-28 19:12:16

mutantdevle wrote:

How do you know that jawapa's intention in that post was to frame Onjit rather than just a general friendly/jokey thanks? Mafia members do not consciously plan out every detail of every post they make. It is entirely plausible that jawapa intended no meaning behind his post whatsoever. Frequently, when I've been mafia in previous games, it has been very fun to watch town over analyse things that meant absolutely nothing.

He may have unintentionally framed Onjit as the bad guy. But he still framed him.

The subjective intentions behind the frame are irrelevant to the fact that he did frame him.

So how about this: Instead of overanalyzing individual sentences of mine, you focus on the overall points that I am making.

We're disagreeing on the meaning of the word "frame". I hope my posts have cleared up this confusion now and you now understand what I was trying to say.

Processor · 2019-07-28 20:01:20

I can't speak for Onjit. It's obvious that Onjit doesn't spend the necessary time to play mafia.
His silence is not helping his case. It's not helping him as a townie, it's not helping him as mafia.
If he doesn't explain what he is doing and give us reads, I won't be sorry for him if he gets lynched.

I am fairly confident in my read of Onjit as town. Yes, it's only based on Jawapa's last post. Yet, it's the piece of evidence with the highest weight. All other heuristics that mutantdevle is using are just guesses too. I've gone through some of them and explained why they don't hold any water in this post.

If it takes an Onjit mislynch for you guys to start suspecting mutantdevle, Crybaby and ZeldaXD, so be it.

NoNK was going to host a 9 player game with 3 mafia if not enough people volunteered for a 15 player game.
We have 3 mafia among 11 of us. So town is currently ahead of mafia in this game.

I don't claim to be the best in mafia, I don't claim to have the best people reading skills out there.
However I have still shared my opinion with all of you to read and interpret.
So please read it, please read mutantdevle's posts, please read NorwegianboyEE's posts. They have made really good points.
Read them and decide if you want to vote for Onjit or not.

My vote is on Mutantdevle and won't switch to Onjit in this phase.

Processor · 2019-07-28 20:14:37

mutantdevle wrote:

If you can admit that the post may have been unintentional, how can you be sure he didn't accidentally make his buddy look bad?

A slip!

Not one, but two (Onjit hammering, Jawapa thanking Onjit)

Please, how ridiculous are your theories going to get? Jawapa 100% knew what he was doing when he thanked Onjit for hammering him.

Processor · 2019-07-28 20:26:56

Onjit wrote:

I was 50/50 on Jawapa tbh, and intended to vote to put him on L-1 (which turned out to be the hammer vote because I didn't refresh the page for two minutes - yet more bad luck on my end haha)

You took 6 minutes to type and send your post?

Crybaby L-1'ed 6 minutes before your hammer.

https://forums.everybodyedits.com/viewt … 36#p756436

Processor · 2019-07-28 20:36:58

mutantdevle wrote:

What is ridiculous about it? Because it was 2 things that happened? I've told you several reasons why Jawapa's post means nothing and I've told you several reasons that Onjit could and would hammer. What about them do you not understand?

You're not accepting the fact that Onjit was the most suspicious player in the game already in the heaven phase.

You've theorized that mafia is disorganized and that's why scum Onjit hammered on Jawapa instead of jawapa hammering on himself, despite the latter being better for mafia.
You're now theorizing that mrjawapa accidentally thanked their colleague in the open.
Both these accidents are possible, but each on their own is unlikely, the combination even less likely.

You're not accepting that mafia are doing their best to avoid mistakes, and are usually good at doing so.

mutantdevle wrote:

How can you possibly know that?

100% is a number rounded up (i. e. the probability is less than 0.5%).
The number comes from my understanding that mafia make as little mistakes as they can.
Jawapa fooled us all by playing really well. Onjit isn't playing his first mafia game either.

You're interpreting anything that doesn't fit your opinion as a mistake by mafia.
Mafia isn't making so many mistakes, any one mistake will cost them their life. See: Zoey2070

Processor · 2019-07-28 20:48:52

Similarly, writing long walls of text won't reveal mafia.
Because mafia aren't making that many mistakes.

Looking deep into a few interesting interactions will reveal a lot of information.

Far more than: (in order)
- complaining about a valid question they asked, about the setup, at the start of the game.
- complaining they just stated the obvious.
- complaining about another valid question they asked about the setup.
- complaining they just stated the obvious again.
- complaining they are trying to "look townie" for stating it's L-1.
- complaining they just stated the obvious once again.

All that won't prove someone is scum.

Focus on the things that matter.

Processor · 2019-07-28 22:27:43

My reads on you (Crybaby), mutant and ZeldaXD are highly volatile

I currently suspect mutantdevle the most.

Processor · 2019-07-28 23:45:07

mutantdevle and Zelda's reads will go back to where they were before if Onjit flips mafia.

Processor · 2019-07-28 23:45:27

Both town / townish, that is

Processor · 2019-07-29 19:07:07

Why is Onjit such a lackluster
Don't play mafia if you aren't going to invest in the time to play... >.>

Onjit's recent actions don't make me feel like he is scum.

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Mutant and others are getting behind the wagon since Onjit is not providing them with a read list.
As if getting assigned mafia suddenly makes you incapable of writing good read lists...

Oh well

Processor · 2019-07-29 19:07:55

Now why would you hammer?

We had 9 hours... Onjit was getting lynched anyway...

Processor · 2019-07-29 19:09:16

TaskManager wrote:

You guys realize the lynches are compulsory and the person with most votes is lynched regardless, once the time runs out?
I see no better candidate than Onjit, but neither do I see a point in pushing the wagon any further right now. It's about 9 hours more or less.
I can only fancy two reasons for pushing the lynch further right now:
- You're in a hurry and don't want to wait another 9 hours
- You want to prevent Onjit from potentially making that post he's been promising to make

Something to keep in mind!

Processor · 2019-07-29 19:48:15

mutantdevle wrote:

Processor, do you expect us to town read you if Onjit flips scum?

Let's do this backwards:

If you're town reading me, Onjit's actual role should not have an impact on your read on me.
If you're scum reading me, Onjit's actual role should have an impact on your read on me.

I've stayed loyal to my read on Onjit till the last second of the night.
What do you make of that?

I've explained that town was ahead of mafia in this game before today's vote.

If Onjit flips scum, mafia has almost lost the game.
If Onjit flips town, mafia will be is slightly ahead of town.

It doesn't make sense for mafia to make risky trades (like the Jawapa one) when they're on the losing side of the game.

mutantdevle

Processor · 2019-07-29 19:50:53

mutantdevle wrote:

If Onjit is town then he 100% deserves this lynch anyway

I play to win, not to give players what they "deserve".

No, if Onjit is town, he did not deserve to die, no innocent people do.
A mislynch would get in my way of winning the game, so I don't like it at all.

So fingers crossed I hope you were right about Onjit being scum...

Minimania

Processor · 2019-07-29 20:05:38

Surprise!

Processor · 2019-07-29 20:07:52

Not giving a **** about the game was what he was doing.

It's not indicative of scum.

Hey NorwegianboyEE, I'm most confident in your townness, can we send you to heaven pls.

mutantdevle

Processor · 2019-07-29 20:16:32

I want to explore other options too. Who do you think we should send to heaven?

I expect answers from every player alive.

Processor · 2019-07-30 16:04:38

mutantdevle wrote:

I'm sure I don't speak for just myself when I say his defence of Onjit and arguments for lynching Zelda were never very convincing.

The problem isn't that I'm not convincing.
I have literally explained everything I had on Onjit, there wasn't more to my read than what I have posted here.
You just had to read it and agree with my conclusions.

You didn't agree with my conclusions, why is that?

I observe that you guys
- think quantity matter over quality (longer posts are considered "evidence")
- ignore facts that don't fit your story
- semi-blindly follow people who talk a lot (mutantdevle)

The criteria you guys follow to detect mafia is flawed, it won't be magically fixed when I'm gone, you'll still lynch the wrong people for the wrong reasons.

Silencing me by sending me to heaven won't save you from that.

Remember to:
- think for yourself, take responsibility for your actions
- a small number of hints are enough to tell mafia apart from town
- look at all possibilities, but understand that mafia isn't smarter than you are
- actions speak louder than words

Minimania, ASDruska

Processor · 2019-07-30 22:30:57

mutantdevle wrote:

Lynching the wrong people for the wrong reasons is exactly why I'd want you in heaven. Because if we are consistently wrong, then I'd trust town!you to get it right.

lol.

ASDruska

Processor · 2019-07-30 22:54:57

Processor wrote:

I want to explore other options too. Who do you think we should send to heaven?
I expect answers from every player alive.

mutantdevle wrote:

Kira, Crybaby and Zelda are my other options (in that order).

Slabdrill wrote:

I'm willing to go for norwegianboy or zelda.

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

I think right now i'd be most confident in voting you Processor, since you were right about Onjit, but you probably want to stay in the game right?

TaskManager wrote:

I'm going to agree with Slab here
IMO Norboy and Zelda are the finest candidates for heaven

ZeldaXD wrote:

I'm ok with being sent to heaven, and I'd also be ok with sending Norboy or Task.

Crybaby wrote:

<No Answer>

Kira wrote:

!vote Kira

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

I suggest sending Norboy or Processor or Zelda

peace wrote:

!vote proc

With self-votes not counting, these are the vote results:

NorwegianboyEE (4): Slabdrill, TaskManager, ZeldaXD, 2B55B5G TNG, (NorwegianboyEE)
ZeldaXD (4): Mutantdevle, Slabdrill, TaskManager, 2B55B5G TNG, (ZeldaXD)
Processor (4): NorwegianboyEE, TaskManager, 2B55B5G TNG, peace
Kira (1): Mutantdevle, (Kira)
TaskManager (1): ZeldaXD, (TaskManager)
Crybaby (1): Mutantdevle

ASDruska

Processor · 2019-07-30 23:39:38

With self-votes not counting, these are the vote results:
NorwegianboyEE (4): Mutantdevle, Slabdrill, TaskManager, ZeldaXD, 2B55B5G TNG, (NorwegianboyEE)
ZeldaXD (4): Mutantdevle, Slabdrill, TaskManager, 2B55B5G TNG, (ZeldaXD)
Processor (4): NorwegianboyEE, TaskManager, 2B55B5G TNG, peace
Kira (1): Mutantdevle, (Kira)
TaskManager (1): ZeldaXD, (TaskManager)
Crybaby (1): Mutantdevle

Processor · 2019-07-30 23:42:46

With self-votes not counting, these are the vote results:

NorwegianboyEE (5): Mutantdevle, Slabdrill, TaskManager, ZeldaXD, 2B55B5G TNG, (NorwegianboyEE)
ZeldaXD (4): Mutantdevle, Slabdrill, TaskManager, 2B55B5G TNG, (ZeldaXD)
Processor (4): NorwegianboyEE, TaskManager, 2B55B5G TNG, peace
Kira (1): Mutantdevle, (Kira)
TaskManager (1): ZeldaXD, (TaskManager)
Crybaby (1): Mutantdevle

ASDruska

Processor · 2019-07-31 00:09:00

With self-votes not counting, these are the vote results:

NorwegianboyEE (5): Mutantdevle, Slabdrill, TaskManager, ZeldaXD, 2B55B5G TNG, (NorwegianboyEE)
Processor (5): NorwegianboyEE, TaskManager, 2B55B5G TNG, peace, Crybaby
ZeldaXD (4): Mutantdevle, Slabdrill, TaskManager, 2B55B5G TNG, (ZeldaXD)
Kira (1): Mutantdevle, (Kira)
TaskManager (1): ZeldaXD, (TaskManager)
Crybaby (1): Mutantdevle

ASDruska

Processor · 2019-07-31 00:39:26

mutantdevle wrote:

You gave me no reason to trust you

I don't need you to trust me to read what I say.

In this game, only mafia knows who's who. Town has no clue whatsoever.
So the only people's word you can "trust" is mafia, they know who's who, they know what they're talking about.

It's a little inconvenient that they try to lie about things, but if you can separate the lies from truths, you're gonna get far ahead of town.

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My current town reads are NorwegianboyEE and Processor (obv.).

Substracting my voters from NorwegianboyEE's, that gives you Mutantdevle, Slabdrill and ZeldaXD.
Substracting my voters from ZeldaXD's, that gives you Mutantdevle, Slabdrill and ZeldaXD as well.
Substracting NorwegianboyEE's voters from Processor's, that gives you peace and Crybaby.

We have three factions here:

Neutrals:
TaskManager
2B55B5G TNG
Kira

Pro-NorwegianboyEE / ZeldaXD:
ZeldaXD
Mutantdevle
Slabdrill

Pro-cessor:
peace
Crybaby

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