1: What is it that Anatoly said that made you trust that his rolecard is not mafia?
A: It’s generally just the feeling i got from his behaviour. He seemed sincere in his desire to help the town, and he actually made some observations which seriously impressed me. I cannot say exactly which observations, but you can go through his posts and try guessing if you wish. I’m not excusing his meltdown, but in between his derpy episodes he does have his flashes of brilliance. The main problem with this guy is that he doesn’t understand certain levels of irony, such that he thought me and Taskmanager’s jokes were a “fight”. But overall i felt a high level of trust towards him and consequently refrained from voting to lynch him. (Of course, you can’t really trust anyone in this game. But one should definitely put pressure on certain people to weed out the mafia.)
2: What kind of behaviour are made you think that 2B55 is townie?
A: I don’t really think anyone is a townie to be perfectly honest, i just have bigger suspicions over certain people than others. I think this is one point you failed to understand with my list. I never explicitly claim that any single person is NOT the mafia. I simply suspect some people over others, and this list is of course very flexible. As events unfold i grow slightly less suspicious of some and more suspicious over others. You could blame me for being a newbie, but the reason i didn’t suspect 2B55 is simply because that’s the impression i’ve gotten from his behaviour so far. It’s that simple. My list wasn’t intended to be a bible of truth that i expected to be “picked apart” like you say, it’s just a simple little guide to show everyone where my beliefs were at in THAT point of time. I suppose that is my mistake again for being new at this game. Obviously people in mafia games will take your posts a whole lot more serious than i initially expected. Meaning i will admit outright that some of my entries in the list where rushed, incomplete or perhaps included solely to help me weed out the mafia. Not all obviously, but some of it shouldn’t be taken at face value. The “ILikeTofuuJoe” entry is basically just **** i wrote because i have no idea about him yet. Also the percentages aren’t really that well thought out either, as you point out with the “Luka504 and ILikeTofuuJoe are in the same percentage!” point.
NorwegianboyEE wrote:MrJawapa: Appears to be bored of this whole mafia thing. Most likely sad he got a regular townie role and doesn’t even care anymore.
3: What did jawapa say that gave you the impression that jawapa was bored and didn't care?
A: As i initially looked at Jawapa’s contributions “post-night 1”. I saw him attempt to lynch Kirby for no reason while saying he was “sick of Kirby’s attitude”. I believe this is what made me think he didn’t care much about the game, treating it like a joke etc… but he did have like 2 more posts that were actually slightly useful. So i might have reached an hasty conclusion, he isn’t bored of the game. Just not as... should i say enthusiastic? This is the impression i get. But this behaviour might just be his natural state of mind.
You said the following things about each of these players:
NorwegianboyEE wrote:ILikeTofuuJoe: I’m not sure about this guy yet. All i know is that he didn’t do much
Luka504: Has brought up some pretty good points and is active. He understands that we need to start lynching suspicious people fast, which is not what i believe a mafia would say.
Onjit: he appears to be on the town’s side. He puts some effort into his posts and makes some good points.[...] i think he is trustworthy.
4: Given you're 'not sure' about Joe, but have called the other 2 town, why are they all the same suspicion level?
A: You’re right. I should have put ILikeTofuuJoe’s suspicion level higher now that i think back on it. This goes back to my earlier answer, i simply didn’t put enough effort into my post than i would have been comfortable with right now.
5: Who were the 'suspicious people' that you think Luka was trying to lynch?
A: Peace. His protection claim seemed really fishy, i’m not really sure about Peace in general. He makes some good points, but at the same time it’s 50/50. Some people suspected that in night 1 the mafia failed to kill Peace, while the SK killed Taskmanager, but i think what really happened that night is that the mafia killed Taskmanager, then the serial killer refrained from doing anything to make us question his existence. Peace’s claim then seems a little suspicious. Perhaps the mafia saw this situation and decided to exploit it?
I didn’t feel comfortable with Luka’s decision to lynch Anatoly on day 1, but i could at least see where his decision was coming from.
NorwegianboyEE wrote:Peace:[...] Either he genuinely is a townie, or he is trying to divert attention from himself and the fact that he is scum.
6: Which do you think it is?
A: I don’t know. That’s why i mentioned 2 alternatives and asked myself that very same question in the text you have quoted.
7: What's your opinion on Slabdrill after knowing he isn't very active in every game?
A: I suppose i’m just a little bit disappointed that apparently we need to “analyze” how he lurks to figure out if he is the mafia. Like wtf.
8: Why did you only feel the need to criticise Slabdrill for not being very active when plenty of other players were also not very active at the time?
A: Because i believed Slabdrill was intentionally lurking. If that makes sense to you. So i thought i should call him out to see how he would react. But apparently he always lurks so idk anymore.
NorwegianboyEE wrote:Different55: Wooting a lot of posts from Mutantdevle, the fact that he supports Mutantdevle’s laughable efforts is more than enough to make him a prime suspect for potential guilty mafia members.
9: Why did you lie about this? He never wooted any of my posts and before this post he had never expressed any support of me other than that he also questioned why people were suspecting peace.
A: You both seemed to agree with each other on lynching Luka504 because he suspected Peace, which i found suspicious. So i believe in my overzealous effort to explain this connection i said he “wooted your post”. But i actually meant it the other way around, you wooted his post. Look back on answer 3 for more details.
10: Is there anything other than this that you think makes diff look scummy?
A: Already explained on answer 9.
11: What about my efforts prior to this post did you find laughable?
A: Your overly confrontational attitude seems very scummy to me. I’m going to be completely honest, most of the game i’ve felt like you’ve only attempted to pick apart people’s post to the miniscule detail because you are attempting to hide the fact that you are mafia and look good in the eyes of the town. The use of those pictures and videos you’ve been posting are absolutely ridiculous and proves even more your overly aggressive playstyle whenever confronted with criticism. If you really aren’t scum, then why are you so verbally violent? You could have replied to me by logically dismantling the argument, yet it’s like you lose your cool sometimes and turn into this caricature of yourself.
12: Why didn't you criticise Diff for not being very active when you did for Slabdrill?
A: I think i already answered this in answer 9.
13: Why do you think that disagreeing on who had done townie things so far in the game automatically makes me scum?
A: I don’t understand your question. Context?
NorwegianboyEE wrote:Mutantdevle: [...] Trying to make us lynch innocent’s in the most obvious way possible. Posting random “lel funni” **** to pretend he is just a townie. Not to mention his random “Ha gotcha!!” attempts to lynch innocents over spelling mistakes or minor revelations. Yeah right. Highly suspicious.
14: When did I try to make people lynch innocents? In what way was it obvious?
A: I’ve already said why i find you suspicious in answer 11. Also at that time when i wrote this, your lynch list had many people i did not particularly suspect. But honestly, your cop claim throws all that crap i wrote earlier under the water. I do not understand why you would reveal that you supposedly are the “cop” on day 2 when you haven’t even found a single mafia or let alone the serial killer. It just seems like such an uncharacteristic move for you to choose this strategy if you really were a cop. Let alone blow up like that when i confronted you about it.
15: Why do you think I should be criticised for making **** when you and others have done the same?
A: Read answer 14.
16: What were my "ha gotcha" attempts? Where do I try to lynch innocents over a spelling mistake/minor revelations? I don't believe that either of these things happened.
A: Read answer 11.
NorwegianboyEE wrote:Random person wrote:But why would you lynch Slabdrill over Mutantdevle if that is your prime suspect?
Answer: It's a strategic play. I believe Mutantdevle's attempt to be the most vocal member in his mafia group is because he doesn't have a power role. My current theory is that Diff and Slabdrill has power roles and are attempting to "lay low" while Mutantdevle does all of the talking. If the Goon (Mutantdevle) get's lynched it's a tolerable loss for the mafia because he doesn't have a power role, but if one of the mafia members with a power role get's lynched it would be catastrophic.
17: Do you really think that this theory is plausible in any way whatsoever? Do you think that I would be less active if I was a mafia power role?
A: Why not? It’s up to the group of mafia to decide what strategy they’ll be doing for the game. Is it really that implausible?
18: Why did you not bring up the criticism of me that the people on my list were some of the more active people in the game?
A: Uh… Because someone else did? Why would i repeat what has already been said by someone else?
19: Given that I had 18 points of criticism about your reads list, can you understand why I believe that it is made up/fake?
A: Sure.
20: Why do you think claiming cop makes me mafia? Why do you think that I'd choose to claim at the time that I did?
A: Already answered in answer 14.
21: Can you be sure that you genuinely think claiming cop like I did is scummy? Did you start with the assumption that I was a cop and then conclude that I was mafia or did you already think I was mafia and hence think of a reason why mafia would claim cop?
A: It doesn’t really matter. What’s important is to stop the mafia, and the way i see it. This “cop reveal” could be an attempt by the mafia to put their mafia cop on a pedestal. The way you demand absolute trust from the town without actually having any information other than Kirby being townie is ludicrous. I’m starting to wonder if you’re just a bad townie cop which haven’t really thought this through. You know the serial killer is going to target you now right? Why would you be so stupid? You’re obviously going to die or kill the doctor in the next night. And you haven’t even found the serial killer yet.
NorwegianboyEE wrote:using intimidation technique to have things go his way
22: Why do you find me intimidating? What intimidation techniques am I using?
A: Answer 11.
NorwegianboyEE wrote:Are you trying to manipulate the conversation so you can regain the initiative?
23: What is 'the initiative'? When did I have it, when did I lose it, and how did I try to regain it?
A: You are obviously a wordsmith. Writing lengthy paragraphs of text that never seem to end. I had to spend like an hour just to write this damn reply. Let me explain to you what i mean. Having the “initiative” is quite simply, staying at the top of the game, having public opinion on your side, making your opponent’s arguments seem flawed and weak. Etc… Something you lost when you posted that silly picture and “It’s time for you to die” or whatever it said. So i’m referring to what i perceive as you trying to make us forget about the agressive incident and returning to your usual argumentative self.
NorwegianboyEE wrote:We realize we messed up so we want the cop to reveal himself so we can kill him later?
24: Where did I mess up so badly that I needed to fake claim cop? Where did I mess up at all?
A: You have misunderstood my statement. I’m trying to put myself into the mindset of the mafia here. Kirby said “If Mutantdevle is fake claiming cop, then the real cop should just speak up!” Assuming Kirby and you are the mafia, this could be an attempt by you two to make the real cop speak up so the mafia can nightkill him. I’m assuming this desperate plan would form from a real fear that you, Mutantdevle would be lynched by the end of the day, so they’d try to make some good from it.
25: Why do you think that if I wanted to expose a PR that I'd choose to expose the cop instead of the seer or doctor? Why do you think I'd choose to sacrifice myself to expose a PR?
A: If you are the mafia cop, it would make more sense to fake claim being a regular cop rather than the seer. Because the seer is more powerful than your own mafia role equivalent. I believe you chose this course of action because you wanted to prove you were a “cop” to the town, of course this would be more trustworthy than claiming to be a seer and failing to understand what the power role is of people that “ask” to be investigated. I don’t think you planned on sacrificing yourself at all, i think you planned for everyone to believe your story without anyone questioning it whatsoever.
