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Re: Mr. X

Yeah, profile pic is the best evidence

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Re: Mr. X

i think the messages weren't relevant so that's why it's blurred, also the screenshots are kinda out of order

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Re: Mr. X

Clearly Xeno isn't thinking right, and I see way more people in defiance of this than people jumping in to defend him (since he won't do it himself apparently)
Additionally, there is no accounting for all Thegame's (and friends) worlds that were deleted.
I think it's time everyone takes a long look at the current situation and evaluate what's right and what isn't. I know who's side I'm on.

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Thegame

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Re: Mr. X

I can post our full uncut discord conversation in this thread later, I am not at a device which I can do that on right now.

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Anatoly

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Re: Mr. X

I talked to Xeno, and because he thinks that I'm not the correct person to post this, than ill simply post what he replies:

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[5:24 PM] Anatoly03: Hi
[5:24 PM] Anatoly03: How did you figure out it was thegame?(edited)
[5:26 PM] Anatoly03: I mean, did you do that through the game's information about what happened or asked the staff from discord if the "hackers" that where talking to you are on the same IP?
[5:30 PM] Xenonetix: There was a lot more to it than all of that, but why would you like to know?
[5:30 PM] Anatoly03: the topic is quit messy
[5:30 PM] Anatoly03: I lost any idea of whats going on
[5:30 PM] Xenonetix: Only because Atilla made it so
[5:30 PM] Xenonetix: There was no need for anyone to go into any detail
[5:31 PM] Anatoly03: many tell its a random guess but I don't really think, knowing you guys, that you would do that
[5:31 PM] Xenonetix: I'm glad you think that, because indeed, we did a proper and thorough investigation
[5:32 PM] Anatoly03: one posts says that (if we assume the hacker is thegame) thegame has contact you on discord about raiding the game through an alt
[5:32 PM] Xenonetix: For one thing, why would we randomly guess a person that has little to no programming knowledge, and clearly couldn't have done it on their own?(edited)
[5:32 PM] Anatoly03: so I thought you could also ask the discord staff to check Ups etc.
[5:33 PM] Anatoly03: (if im wrong, please correct, there are so many confusing posts in the topics; I lost any idea of what actually has been going on)
[5:33 PM] Xenonetix: I don't recall a conversation with thegame about raiding the game through an alt, but I may just be forgetting
[5:33 PM] Anatoly03: oh okay
[5:34 PM] Anatoly03: yeah - so you picked thegame because he has the most programming knowledge, what about axilla/processor/gosha?
[5:34 PM] Anatoly03: btw. making gosh look unsuspicious because he was staff made him for me only more suspicous
[5:34 PM] Xenonetix (Image): https://media.discordapp.net/attachment … nknown.png
[5:34 PM] Xenonetix: He doesn't have the most programming knowledge
[5:34 PM] Xenonetix: He has little to no programming knowledge
[5:34 PM] Anatoly03: hmm? but how did he managed to break into Pio?
[5:34 PM] Xenonetix: He didn't
[5:35 PM] Anatoly03: he didn't?
[5:35 PM] Xenonetix: Not that we're aware
[5:35 PM] Anatoly03: topics say that he was using a leak in PiO safety
[5:35 PM] Xenonetix: You really do sound very confused. This wasn't a one-person job
[5:35 PM] Xenonetix: Many individuals were involved
[5:35 PM] Anatoly03: oh, so someone from top have been helping?
[5:35 PM] Xenonetix: Thegame just being one of them
[5:35 PM] Anatoly03: ah okay
[5:36 PM] Xenonetix: Thegame just happens to be the only one anyone's focusing on, because he was the only one to go to Atilla about it, and Atilla decided to share that for dramatic effect
[5:36 PM] Anatoly03: and do you have any idea of who the rest of the are and how many there are?
[5:36 PM] Xenonetix: Yes
[5:36 PM] Anatoly03: okay
[5:36 PM] Anatoly03: so thegame wasn't alone? But what did he do?
[5:36 PM] Anatoly03: you said he was organising it?(edited)
[5:37 PM] Xenonetix: We believe he was one of the organisers, yes. For example, we find it very hard to believe almost any of the others involved would spam a link to a video of a real life mass shooting other than TheGame.
[5:38 PM] Anatoly03: ah, so thegame was something like a consult of what stuff to spam?
[5:38 PM] Xenonetix: In that particular instance, yes
[5:38 PM] Xenonetix: There was a lot more to it than that, considering the whole event happened over a period of 5-6 weeks
[5:39 PM] Anatoly03: right
[5:39 PM] Xenonetix: So he wasn't the one to create a bot to spam people, but we believe he was the one to add the link to the spam list.
[5:39 PM] Anatoly03: so do you think it was realmaster42 who did?
[5:40 PM] Anatoly03: as he already managed to spam the game I think the code that was used is close enough to that of him
[5:40 PM] Xenonetix: I mean, we could go through the entire community until you narrow it down to who it is, so I'm not going to answer any further questions over whether it was anyone in particular, but no, we do not believe RM42 was involved, and RM42 did actually assist us in the investigations at one point. He was surprisingly helpful.
[5:41 PM] Anatoly03: but why won't you tell them?
[5:41 PM] Anatoly03: I mean everyone is confused
[5:42 PM] Xenonetix: No one was asking any questions about it before Atilla outed TheGame
[5:42 PM] Anatoly03: and with him telling his no guiltiness it will break the "social triangle" in ..
[5:42 PM] Xenonetix: Everyone's only confused because Atilla confused them
[5:42 PM] Anatoly03: yeah, but if you want say anything then the community will believe the only explanative source
[5:42 PM] Xenonetix: I said this in the Patreon Discord
[5:42 PM] Xenonetix (Image): https://media.discordapp.net/attachment … nknown.png
[5:42 PM] Anatoly03: and that's axilla here
[5:43 PM] Anatoly03: so its outside of the game?
[5:43 PM] Xenonetix: And that's fine - It doesn't bother me in the slightest what they do or do not believe regarding this event
[5:43 PM] Anatoly03: okay I guess ill create a topic to bring the truth out.
[5:43 PM] Anatoly03: I believe that atilla should stop drama(edited)
[5:44 PM] Anatoly03: anyway, thanks for explaining partly of whats actually going on behind the scenes
[5:44 PM] Xenonetix: That's your decision to make - I agree that Atilla should drop the drama, but I do not think it helps anyone to list who was and wasn't involved. That only invites harassment of those involved, and invites potentially more attempts at attacks from people who weren't involved, or people who were involved, but we haven't listed
[5:45 PM] Xenonetix: No problem
[5:45 PM] Anatoly03: ' but I do not think it helps anyone to list who was and wasn't involved. ', well, I believe they want to know it and have the grooves, the community has been hating the staff for long time in he's history
[5:45 PM] Anatoly03: and I also believe that being silent at this point is wrong, but, I'm only 16, maybe you know better
[5:47 PM] Xenonetix: Fair enough, but I consider it the same sort of thing as the Processor drama, which you may or may not know about
[5:48 PM] Xenonetix: Processor/Yonom is demanding to know the financial details of ZendroForce and the Patreon, because he somehow believes he "deserves to know where his money is going". Well, currently, he has paid $0 to EE, so his money is not going to EE or EEU, and, as such, I do not believe it is any of his business what the financial information is. Anyone in the Patreon Discord is free to ask, and I'm willing to share the information with them, because they're the people who are actually paying money
[5:49 PM] Anatoly03: ah processors start of a new drama
[5:49 PM] Anatoly03: thats actually the last im really interested in
[5:50 PM] Xenonetix: The whole drama just appears to be for "entertainment purposes", and I have no reason to give added entertainment to those that weren't involved in the slightest. I provided all the information that the community needed to know, and the information that applied to everyone affected.
[5:51 PM] Xenonetix: I've been saying for weeks now: Whoever is responsible for the attacks is unimportant in the grand scheme of things, and how the attacks were being made was far more important. As such, we took the necessary steps and precautions to make sure similar attacks could never happen again by anyone
[5:52 PM] Anatoly03: yeah
[5:52 PM] Anatoly03: but you also don't tell how the attacks are made
[5:52 PM] Anatoly03: but I see why
[5:52 PM] Anatoly03: if you'd tell where you fixed the security holes, thegame the real hacker could find other unfixed holes(edited)
[5:52 PM] Xenonetix: I revealed some of the information over how the attacks were made, but yes, we don't want to give people options to experiment over how to attack again
[5:53 PM] Anatoly03: but was the attack made using the CreateJoinRoom option? You said there was a strange VPN used?
[5:54 PM] Anatoly03: anyway, thanks for your response
[5:54 PM] Anatoly03: have a good day)
[5:56 PM] Xenonetix: And to you
[5:56 PM] Anatoly03: )
[6:36 PM] Anatoly03: for the topic - so as you said real master has been helping
[6:36 PM] Anatoly03: what about other developers like hg, ..?
[6:37 PM] Anatoly03: idk who else is able to code in the community
[6:37 PM] Xenonetix: I don't think it would help to say in the topic that Realmaster has helped - That would probably just raise further questions
[6:42 PM] Anatoly03: oh right then we'll miss this point
[6:42 PM] Anatoly03: about the leak
[6:43 PM] Xenonetix: For one thing, RM42 helped us, not them lol
[6:43 PM] Anatoly03: yeah sure
[6:43 PM] Xenonetix: So even saying they helped is ambiguous
[6:43 PM] Anatoly03: right
[6:43 PM] Anatoly03: about the leak
[6:43 PM] Anatoly03: all game data has been leaked - but only passwords were leaked that were written in the inbox?
[6:43 PM] Anatoly03: so passwords in general weren't leaked?
[6:44 PM] Xenonetix: Maybe don't write this report/post(edited)
[6:45 PM] Anatoly03: yeah, you already said that, but still some people still trust processor who said that everything was leaked
[6:45 PM] Xenonetix: All game data hasn't been leaked - The fact you've made that statement worries me hugely about what you're typing
[6:46 PM] Xenonetix: Apparently you do too - You just asserted that all game data has been leaked
[6:46 PM] Anatoly03: with game data I mean profile
[6:46 PM] Anatoly03: worlds, etc.
[6:46 PM] Anatoly03: they are already accessible even if the profile is private
[6:46 PM] Xenonetix: Which is why I don't think you should be writing this post - If you're not being clear in your text to me, this is just going to confuse everyone else all the more if you post without full clarity in exactly what you're typing
[6:48 PM] Anatoly03: then - the post should be written by you.. the only one who has the most information - but as I already noticed you don't plan on, right? This is not a way to help
[6:48 PM] Anatoly03: btw.
[6:48 PM] Anatoly03: what I mean
[6:48 PM] Anatoly03: http://ee.yonom.org/eeanatoly
[6:48 PM] Xenonetix: I wrote a post on it - It took me hours
[6:48 PM] Xenonetix: You wooted it
[6:49 PM] Anatoly03:

you literally claimed passwords arent leaked and now youre saying the opposite
i also find it funny how you made a large list of data that you do not store and tossed random completely irrelevant **** into it
did you do that to make the users feel less worried about their emails/passwords leak?
e.g. "well, my password & email got stolen but my genetic data and religion are safe! woohoo!"
youre not serious, are you

[6:49 PM] Anatoly03: in your topic
[6:50 PM] Anatoly03: I wooted your topic because I haven#t read the content, and woot in my case is not something argueable
[6:50 PM] Anatoly03: so: passwords were not leaked
[6:50 PM] Xenonetix: Well, if you haven't read it, DEFINITELY don't post anything
[6:50 PM] Anatoly03: ive read it
[6:50 PM] Xenonetix: Zumza summed up the Passwords best: https://forums.everybodyedits.com/viewt … 33#p743833
[6:51 PM] Anatoly03: yup
[6:51 PM] Anatoly03: thats what I said

I also talked to LukeM, but due to our friendship I won't publish it. The only important thing you should know is:

[5:28 PM] LukeM: I can't really say much without potentially compromising our investigation :P

From what I have heard: It's some topics worth:

I officially comment my position: If Xeno won't leak any information on who (not how) the game hacked, I forbid anyone to make thegame look guilty.

I am confused. And if that's who now owns the game, I won't stay longer. I'll maybe look: How my favourite game was destroyed, and then I'll go...

Zumza

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Re: Mr. X

[5:48 PM] Xenonetix: Processor/Yonom is demanding to know the financial details of ZendroForce and the Patreon, because he somehow believes he "deserves to know where his money is going". Well, currently, he has paid $0 to EE, so his money is not going to EE or EEU, and, as such, I do not believe it is any of his business what the financial information is. Anyone in the Patreon Discord is free to ask, and I'm willing to share the information with them, because they're the people who are actually paying money

Pay, and after you payed, you can know what you payed for!

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daneeko

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Re: Mr. X

just now chiming in to this whole discussion, i just have to say:

given the community's current state, im not even 100% sure if there'll be anyone around when eeu comes out

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Anatoly

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Re: Mr. X

[5:48 PM] Xenonetix: Processor/Yonom is demanding to know the financial details of ZendroForce and the Patreon, because he somehow believes he "deserves to know where his money is going". Well, currently, he has paid $0 to EE, so his money is not going to EE or EEU, and, as such, I do not believe it is any of his business what the financial information is. Anyone in the Patreon Discord is free to ask, and I'm willing to share the information with them, because they're the people who are actually paying money

Pay, and after you payed, you can know what you payed for!

Exactly. This is very sad.

Thegame

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Re: Mr. X

Ok everyone, this is a full up to date discord log of every single message sent between Xenonetix and I since I realized my account had been deleted.
https://pastebin.com/6EiuFLLi

Knowing that this man is the one who owns all of this now is really saddening.

According to Xeno, none of this is any of your business and you guys shouldn't be involved at all. Glad to know I will keep you all informed as long as I still can, if they ban my forum account then I guess I'll just have to weasel my way out of that.

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Kira

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Re: Mr. X

TLDR: "But a little tip for future - If you were one of the ones responsible, if you're going to leak "every account" between 2010 and 5th January 2019, maybe don't actively exclude yourself, because that would always flag you up as suspicious"

In short he doesn't even know if Thegame is even part of it.

bunglybongle

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Re: Mr. X

is it me or is xeno pulling an onision?

XxAtillaxX

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Re: Mr. X

"But a little tip for future - If you were one of the ones responsible, if you're going to leak "every account" between 2010 and 5th January 2019, maybe don't actively exclude yourself, because that would always flag you up as suspicious"

... except he was in the leak

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Luka504

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Re: Mr. X

Atilla stop confusing us and making drama!!!!  :mad:

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mrjawapa

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Re: Mr. X

The suicide **** happened SEVEN YEARS AGO, you and 80% of the people here now were just getting into middle school or younger, and all of it was based off of things which happened on Facebook, not EE. It seems like every time I see your name all you have to add to the conversation is "omg didn't thegame like kill himself or something?!" so can you just drop the **** already please, this is me legitimately asking you as polite as I can.

I agree, that is irrelevant. It's dumb to disregard or discredit everything someone says, because of some past ****. People change.

I forbid anyone to make thegame look guilty.

As you wish, almighty Anatoly.

According to Xeno, none of this is any of your business and you guys shouldn't be involved at all.

First, I think if someone is going to be perma-banned, there should be definitive evidence of some wrong doing. However, I wouldn't expect ML to provide it to the public, like everyone is demanding. It doesn't involve anyone else, so it doesn't make sense to provide proof to all these nobodies. If Thegame chooses to make it public, then so be it, that's up to him.

EDIT: For the record, I may not know the whole story. I haven't been around much, and so I'm sure I missed something.

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Thegame

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Re: Mr. X

I agree, that is irrelevant. It's dumb to disregard or discredit everything someone says, because of some past ****. People change.

Hearing that from you now knowing you were around at that time means a lot, so thank you.

Also http://prntscr.com/n57rr4 I have been informed that LukeM will be restoring my account, I appreciate everyone who supported this situation and we must still be aware so things like this are prevented in the future. I am not happy that this drug my name through more dirt than it already has been but I will gladly hear Xeno apologize and have my items returned.

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Norwee

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Re: Mr. X

First, I think if someone is going to be perma-banned, there should be definitive evidence of some wrong doing. However, I wouldn't expect ML to provide it to the public, like everyone is demanding. It doesn't involve anyone else, so it doesn't make sense to provide proof to all these nobodies. If Thegame chooses to make it public, then so be it, that's up to him.

Thegame has a good reputation with many users on EE which makes it obvious that so many would be demanding to see evidence of his involvement.
If your best friend was convicted for murder, and you couldn't for the life of you imagine your friend capable of such an act, yet the judge says they won't show you a single piece of evidence. Wouldn't you feel a little bit suspicious that maybe it is actually the justice system that's the problem? They could basically smear anyone as guilty without a shred of evidence, claiming you are the problem for wanting to get at least a little bit of background on why he was convicted at all. What's happening here is definitely the definition of a completely unfair justice system. One with Xenonetix as judge, jury, and executioner.

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mrjawapa

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Re: Mr. X

If your best friend was convicted for murder...

Let's not be completely **** ridiculous.

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Norwee

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Re: Mr. X

Let's not be completely **** ridiculous.

It's a metaphor, aren't you going to address the substance of what i said? What a pointless reply.
Thegame lost his account and everything on it. Nine years of spent effort like he said, all gone in a flash. If that isn't the harshest possible punishment available then i don't know what is, don't you think that justifies at least some form of concrete evidence to back it up?

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Processor

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Re: Mr. X

Regardless of Thegame being involved or not, deleting his account does nothing to stop him.
An eye for an eye is a silly, personal, not professional way of dealing with things.

When it comes to hackers, it's not even an effective way to stop them!

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mrjawapa

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Re: Mr. X

It's a metaphor

It's an absurd comparison. Those are far from being on the same level.

aren't you going to address the substance of what i said?

No, because you're comparing Xeno's judgement to a criminal justice system. We're talking about a computer game, not a homicide.

don't you think that justifies at least some form of concrete evidence to back it up?

See my earlier post.

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Norwee

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Re: Mr. X

Honestly, Jawapa. I don't care what you think. You're just avoiding my question. Criticizing people's choice of words rather than actually confronting the argument behind it. It's silly. You can at least stop pretending like you don't have the intelligence to understand what i'm trying to convey. We as an community need hard evidence from Xenonetix to back up the permaban decision towards thegame. Having it any other way would do nothing but tarnish Xenonetix's already extremely low reputation, make for a weaker game and increasingly pessimistic playerbase. Nobody likes an dictator. And that is seriously what Xenonetix looks like right now.

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PTU

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Re: Mr. X

Yeah, profile pic is the best evidence

How so? Can you please expand your meaning? I don't get it...

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mrjawapa

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Re: Mr. X

Criticizing people's choice of words rather than actually confronting the argument behind it. It's silly. You can at least stop pretending like you don't have the intelligence to understand what i'm trying to convey. We as an community need hard evidence from Xenonetix to back up the permaban decision towards thegame.

First, I think if someone is going to be perma-banned, there should be definitive evidence of some wrong doing.

I know exactly what you're trying to convey, and I know what you're asking. But, you're being ridiculous about it. Don't make this any bigger of an issue than it is. We're miles away from this being equal to a murder case.

We don't need anything. It seems that everyone agrees there should be concrete evidence. Since that evidence was not provided, and Xeno refused to provide it, I agree with this topic being made. However, I don't agree with Xeno releasing his evidence to the public. Actually, he shouldn't be talking about the incident at all, with anyone other than Thegame.

If Thegame chooses to release everything to the community, that's his choice.

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2b55b5g

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Re: Mr. X

Let’s change our discord pfp into an anonymous mask on April fools so we get banned!

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Anatoly

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Re: Mr. X

Welcome to the world of stalin and hitler. People get banned without prove, without their deletion being announced. EE is dead. Anyone who says the opposite just lies to himself.