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Show door/gate - counts (of money or deaths) when locked - for editors

When I have 3 coins and some doors are closed, I have edit, I'd like to see what I entered there.

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Re: Show door/gate - counts (of money or deaths) when locked - for editors

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Re: Show door/gate - counts (of money or deaths) when locked - for editors

HG thats epic needs more woots

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looks cluttered and confusing
how about 5/7 (meme not intended) when in god mode

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Re: Show door/gate - counts (of money or deaths) when locked - for editors

Sadly things like coin doors etc are handled really weirdly, so making a change like that would mean rewriting a large portion of the graphics code...

▼For those who are interested

Graphics in EE work by redrawing every single block every single frame, which isn't great, but it works ok-ish.
Drawing text is generally quite a bit slower than drawing an image, so I guess at some point it was decided that drawing the numbers for doors etc would be to slow.
They solved this by pre-rendering every possible switch / coin door graphic, (one for every possible switch / coin value), which means drawing them is faster, but it takes up a large amount of memory to store all the possible graphics.

This works fairly well currently, but it means that we physically can't add any more information to the graphics of doors / gates without using way too much memory...
(For example, currently there are 1000 graphics for each door / gate / whatever, which is around 1 MB, if we added a second 3 digit number this would increase to 1000000 graphics, which would be around 1 GB...)

I'm assuming we're going to implement it in a better way for EEU though, so hopefully things like this should be possible

peace

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Re: Show door/gate - counts (of money or deaths) when locked - for editors

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ … intest.png

Sadly things like coin doors etc are handled really weirdly, so making a change like that would mean rewriting a large portion of the graphics code...

▼For those who are interested

Graphics in EE work by redrawing every single block every single frame, which isn't great, but it works ok-ish.
Drawing text is generally quite a bit slower than drawing an image, so I guess at some point it was decided that drawing the numbers for doors etc would be to slow.
They solved this by pre-rendering every possible switch / coin door graphic, (one for every possible switch / coin value), which means drawing them is faster, but it takes up a large amount of memory to store all the possible graphics.

This works fairly well currently, but it means that we physically can't add any more information to the graphics of doors / gates without using way too much memory...
(For example, currently there are 1000 graphics for each door / gate / whatever, which is around 1 MB, if we added a second 3 digit number this would increase to 1000000 graphics, which would be around 1 GB...)

I'm assuming we're going to implement it in a better way for EEU though, so hopefully things like this should be possible

ok who wrote this spaggeti dumb code t odo it this way? why even redrawing EVERY SINGLE FRAME

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MWstudios

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Re: Show door/gate - counts (of money or deaths) when locked - for editors

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ … intest.png

Sadly things like coin doors etc are handled really weirdly, so making a change like that would mean rewriting a large portion of the graphics code...

▼For those who are interested

Graphics in EE work by redrawing every single block every single frame, which isn't great, but it works ok-ish.
Drawing text is generally quite a bit slower than drawing an image, so I guess at some point it was decided that drawing the numbers for doors etc would be to slow.
They solved this by pre-rendering every possible switch / coin door graphic, (one for every possible switch / coin value), which means drawing them is faster, but it takes up a large amount of memory to store all the possible graphics.

This works fairly well currently, but it means that we physically can't add any more information to the graphics of doors / gates without using way too much memory...
(For example, currently there are 1000 graphics for each door / gate / whatever, which is around 1 MB, if we added a second 3 digit number this would increase to 1000000 graphics, which would be around 1 GB...)

I'm assuming we're going to implement it in a better way for EEU though, so hopefully things like this should be possible

Ok
if drawing actual text is slow, why not adding 10 textures of numbers and displaying them on the doors?
then you won't need 1000 textures

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Re: Show door/gate - counts (of money or deaths) when locked - for editors

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ … intest.png

Sadly things like coin doors etc are handled really weirdly, so making a change like that would mean rewriting a large portion of the graphics code...

▼For those who are interested

Graphics in EE work by redrawing every single block every single frame, which isn't great, but it works ok-ish.
Drawing text is generally quite a bit slower than drawing an image, so I guess at some point it was decided that drawing the numbers for doors etc would be to slow.
They solved this by pre-rendering every possible switch / coin door graphic, (one for every possible switch / coin value), which means drawing them is faster, but it takes up a large amount of memory to store all the possible graphics.

This works fairly well currently, but it means that we physically can't add any more information to the graphics of doors / gates without using way too much memory...
(For example, currently there are 1000 graphics for each door / gate / whatever, which is around 1 MB, if we added a second 3 digit number this would increase to 1000000 graphics, which would be around 1 GB...)

I'm assuming we're going to implement it in a better way for EEU though, so hopefully things like this should be possible

Ok
if drawing actual text is slow, why not adding 10 textures of numbers and displaying them on the doors?
then you won't need 1000 textures

I planned on doing that.

Fun fact: Each block that has numbers on it generates 18000x16 image. only 16k is needed, that's why the rest 2000 are not used. lol.
There are around 14 blocks that have numbers, so in total it gives us 18000x224 image (which is 4mil pixels)

I planned on making just 10 images and making a system that places them in the right order.

peace

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Re: Show door/gate - counts (of money or deaths) when locked - for editors

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ … intest.png

Sadly things like coin doors etc are handled really weirdly, so making a change like that would mean rewriting a large portion of the graphics code...

▼For those who are interested

Graphics in EE work by redrawing every single block every single frame, which isn't great, but it works ok-ish.
Drawing text is generally quite a bit slower than drawing an image, so I guess at some point it was decided that drawing the numbers for doors etc would be to slow.
They solved this by pre-rendering every possible switch / coin door graphic, (one for every possible switch / coin value), which means drawing them is faster, but it takes up a large amount of memory to store all the possible graphics.

This works fairly well currently, but it means that we physically can't add any more information to the graphics of doors / gates without using way too much memory...
(For example, currently there are 1000 graphics for each door / gate / whatever, which is around 1 MB, if we added a second 3 digit number this would increase to 1000000 graphics, which would be around 1 GB...)

I'm assuming we're going to implement it in a better way for EEU though, so hopefully things like this should be possible

Ok
if drawing actual text is slow, why not adding 10 textures of numbers and displaying them on the doors?
then you won't need 1000 textures

I planned on doing that.

Fun fact: Each block that has numbers on it generates 18000x16 image. only 16k is needed, that's why the rest 2000 are not used. lol.
There are around 14 blocks that have numbers, so in total it gives us 18000x224 image (which is 4mil pixels)

I planned on making just 10 images and making a system that places them in the right order.

then do that it will fix the spaggethu code

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Re: Show door/gate - counts (of money or deaths) when locked - for editors

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ … intest.png

Sadly things like coin doors etc are handled really weirdly, so making a change like that would mean rewriting a large portion of the graphics code...

▼For those who are interested

Graphics in EE work by redrawing every single block every single frame, which isn't great, but it works ok-ish.
Drawing text is generally quite a bit slower than drawing an image, so I guess at some point it was decided that drawing the numbers for doors etc would be to slow.
They solved this by pre-rendering every possible switch / coin door graphic, (one for every possible switch / coin value), which means drawing them is faster, but it takes up a large amount of memory to store all the possible graphics.

This works fairly well currently, but it means that we physically can't add any more information to the graphics of doors / gates without using way too much memory...
(For example, currently there are 1000 graphics for each door / gate / whatever, which is around 1 MB, if we added a second 3 digit number this would increase to 1000000 graphics, which would be around 1 GB...)

I'm assuming we're going to implement it in a better way for EEU though, so hopefully things like this should be possible

Ok
if drawing actual text is slow, why not adding 10 textures of numbers and displaying them on the doors?
then you won't need 1000 textures

I planned on doing that.

Fun fact: Each block that has numbers on it generates 18000x16 image. only 16k is needed, that's why the rest 2000 are not used. lol.
There are around 14 blocks that have numbers, so in total it gives us 18000x224 image (which is 4mil pixels)

I planned on making just 10 images and making a system that places them in the right order.

Why does it have to have another number on it? Can't you just like use inspect tool on it to see how much you need to enter. It's not private or anything because you can see how much you need at any time.

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LukeM

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Re: Show door/gate - counts (of money or deaths) when locked - for editors

▼LukeM wrote:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ … intest.png

Sadly things like coin doors etc are handled really weirdly, so making a change like that would mean rewriting a large portion of the graphics code...

▼For those who are interested

Graphics in EE work by redrawing every single block every single frame, which isn't great, but it works ok-ish.
Drawing text is generally quite a bit slower than drawing an image, so I guess at some point it was decided that drawing the numbers for doors etc would be to slow.
They solved this by pre-rendering every possible switch / coin door graphic, (one for every possible switch / coin value), which means drawing them is faster, but it takes up a large amount of memory to store all the possible graphics.

This works fairly well currently, but it means that we physically can't add any more information to the graphics of doors / gates without using way too much memory...
(For example, currently there are 1000 graphics for each door / gate / whatever, which is around 1 MB, if we added a second 3 digit number this would increase to 1000000 graphics, which would be around 1 GB...)

I'm assuming we're going to implement it in a better way for EEU though, so hopefully things like this should be possible

Ok
if drawing actual text is slow, why not adding 10 textures of numbers and displaying them on the doors?
then you won't need 1000 textures

Fairly sure that thats basically how drawing text works, its just that having to draw multiple small images takes a lot longer than drawing one big image, so drawing the block and 3 numbers takes around 4x as long as drawing the pre-rendered block, and a 4x slowdown for graphics would be pretty significant.

peace

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Re: Show door/gate - counts (of money or deaths) when locked - for editors

▼LukeM wrote:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ … intest.png

Sadly things like coin doors etc are handled really weirdly, so making a change like that would mean rewriting a large portion of the graphics code...

▼For those who are interested

Graphics in EE work by redrawing every single block every single frame, which isn't great, but it works ok-ish.
Drawing text is generally quite a bit slower than drawing an image, so I guess at some point it was decided that drawing the numbers for doors etc would be to slow.
They solved this by pre-rendering every possible switch / coin door graphic, (one for every possible switch / coin value), which means drawing them is faster, but it takes up a large amount of memory to store all the possible graphics.

This works fairly well currently, but it means that we physically can't add any more information to the graphics of doors / gates without using way too much memory...
(For example, currently there are 1000 graphics for each door / gate / whatever, which is around 1 MB, if we added a second 3 digit number this would increase to 1000000 graphics, which would be around 1 GB...)

I'm assuming we're going to implement it in a better way for EEU though, so hopefully things like this should be possible

Ok
if drawing actual text is slow, why not adding 10 textures of numbers and displaying them on the doors?
then you won't need 1000 textures

Fairly sure that thats basically how drawing text works, its just that having to draw multiple small images takes a lot longer than drawing one big image, so drawing the block and 3 numbers takes around 4x as long as drawing the pre-rendered block, and a 4x slowdown for graphics would be pretty significant.

then firstly dont ket the game load EVERY GHRAPIC IN THE WORLD EVERY FRAME btu insetad just whneveer it NEEDS to do store the images of text form for exmaple coin doors wihtitn a formula in the client the client can quikly use the forrmula to change th ecoindoor when needed while its not slowlier

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thanks hg for making this much better and ty for my avatar aswell

LukeM

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Re: Show door/gate - counts (of money or deaths) when locked - for editors

▼LukeM wrote:

▼LukeM wrote:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ … intest.png

Sadly things like coin doors etc are handled really weirdly, so making a change like that would mean rewriting a large portion of the graphics code...

▼For those who are interested

Graphics in EE work by redrawing every single block every single frame, which isn't great, but it works ok-ish.
Drawing text is generally quite a bit slower than drawing an image, so I guess at some point it was decided that drawing the numbers for doors etc would be to slow.
They solved this by pre-rendering every possible switch / coin door graphic, (one for every possible switch / coin value), which means drawing them is faster, but it takes up a large amount of memory to store all the possible graphics.

This works fairly well currently, but it means that we physically can't add any more information to the graphics of doors / gates without using way too much memory...
(For example, currently there are 1000 graphics for each door / gate / whatever, which is around 1 MB, if we added a second 3 digit number this would increase to 1000000 graphics, which would be around 1 GB...)

I'm assuming we're going to implement it in a better way for EEU though, so hopefully things like this should be possible

Ok
if drawing actual text is slow, why not adding 10 textures of numbers and displaying them on the doors?
then you won't need 1000 textures

Fairly sure that thats basically how drawing text works, its just that having to draw multiple small images takes a lot longer than drawing one big image, so drawing the block and 3 numbers takes around 4x as long as drawing the pre-rendered block, and a 4x slowdown for graphics would be pretty significant.

then firstly dont ket the game load EVERY GHRAPIC IN THE WORLD EVERY FRAME btu insetad just whneveer it NEEDS to do store the images of text form for exmaple coin doors wihtitn a formula in the client the client can quikly use the forrmula to change th ecoindoor when needed while its not slowlier

Not quite sure what you mean there...

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Re: Show door/gate - counts (of money or deaths) when locked - for editors

What about adding to Inspect tool?  Hover over a coin door of 8, regardless of how many coins you have (it may be solid or unsolid) and it could read "Coin Door: 8"

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mikelolsuperman

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Re: Show door/gate - counts (of money or deaths) when locked - for editors

What about adding to Inspect tool?  Hover over a coin door of 8, regardless of how many coins you have (it may be solid or unsolid) and it could read "Coin Door: 8"

I literally said that:

Why does it have to have another number on it? Can't you just like use inspect tool on it to see how much you need to enter. It's not private or anything because you can see how much you need at any time.

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Re: Show door/gate - counts (of money or deaths) when locked - for editors

What about adding to Inspect tool?  Hover over a coin door of 8, regardless of how many coins you have (it may be solid or unsolid) and it could read "Coin Door: 8"

I literally said that:

Why does it have to have another number on it? Can't you just like use inspect tool on it to see how much you need to enter. It's not private or anything because you can see how much you need at any time.

oop

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Re: Show door/gate - counts (of money or deaths) when locked - for editors

just have it as unique images for each possible outcome??

all you need is 1000000 individual files it's not even that hard i can't believe that gosha is so LAZY

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drunkbnu

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Re: Show door/gate - counts (of money or deaths) when locked - for editors

all you need is 1000000 individual files it's not even that hard

Yeah, it's not hard, but I hope you enjoy EE taking over more than 1 GB of your RAM simply for those textures.

MWstudios

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Re: Show door/gate - counts (of money or deaths) when locked - for editors

▼LukeM wrote:

▼LukeM wrote:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ … intest.png

Sadly things like coin doors etc are handled really weirdly, so making a change like that would mean rewriting a large portion of the graphics code...

▼For those who are interested

Graphics in EE work by redrawing every single block every single frame, which isn't great, but it works ok-ish.
Drawing text is generally quite a bit slower than drawing an image, so I guess at some point it was decided that drawing the numbers for doors etc would be to slow.
They solved this by pre-rendering every possible switch / coin door graphic, (one for every possible switch / coin value), which means drawing them is faster, but it takes up a large amount of memory to store all the possible graphics.

This works fairly well currently, but it means that we physically can't add any more information to the graphics of doors / gates without using way too much memory...
(For example, currently there are 1000 graphics for each door / gate / whatever, which is around 1 MB, if we added a second 3 digit number this would increase to 1000000 graphics, which would be around 1 GB...)

I'm assuming we're going to implement it in a better way for EEU though, so hopefully things like this should be possible

Ok
if drawing actual text is slow, why not adding 10 textures of numbers and displaying them on the doors?
then you won't need 1000 textures

Fairly sure that thats basically how drawing text works, its just that having to draw multiple small images takes a lot longer than drawing one big image, so drawing the block and 3 numbers takes around 4x as long as drawing the pre-rendered block, and a 4x slowdown for graphics would be pretty significant.

then firstly dont ket the game load EVERY GHRAPIC IN THE WORLD EVERY FRAME btu insetad just whneveer it NEEDS to do store the images of text form for exmaple coin doors wihtitn a formula in the client the client can quikly use the forrmula to change th ecoindoor when needed while its not slowlier

Not quite sure what you mean there...

He said that a tile's graphics should be loaded just when someone edits the block or when you collect a coin and the coin door changes

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LukeM

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Re: Show door/gate - counts (of money or deaths) when locked - for editors

▼LukeM wrote:

▼LukeM wrote:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ … intest.png

Sadly things like coin doors etc are handled really weirdly, so making a change like that would mean rewriting a large portion of the graphics code...

▼For those who are interested

Graphics in EE work by redrawing every single block every single frame, which isn't great, but it works ok-ish.
Drawing text is generally quite a bit slower than drawing an image, so I guess at some point it was decided that drawing the numbers for doors etc would be to slow.
They solved this by pre-rendering every possible switch / coin door graphic, (one for every possible switch / coin value), which means drawing them is faster, but it takes up a large amount of memory to store all the possible graphics.

This works fairly well currently, but it means that we physically can't add any more information to the graphics of doors / gates without using way too much memory...
(For example, currently there are 1000 graphics for each door / gate / whatever, which is around 1 MB, if we added a second 3 digit number this would increase to 1000000 graphics, which would be around 1 GB...)

I'm assuming we're going to implement it in a better way for EEU though, so hopefully things like this should be possible

Ok
if drawing actual text is slow, why not adding 10 textures of numbers and displaying them on the doors?
then you won't need 1000 textures

Fairly sure that thats basically how drawing text works, its just that having to draw multiple small images takes a lot longer than drawing one big image, so drawing the block and 3 numbers takes around 4x as long as drawing the pre-rendered block, and a 4x slowdown for graphics would be pretty significant.

then firstly dont ket the game load EVERY GHRAPIC IN THE WORLD EVERY FRAME btu insetad just whneveer it NEEDS to do store the images of text form for exmaple coin doors wihtitn a formula in the client the client can quikly use the forrmula to change th ecoindoor when needed while its not slowlier

Not quite sure what you mean there...

He said that a tile's graphics should be loaded just when someone edits the block or when you collect a coin and the coin door changes

I guess that might work, but a system that does that would be fairly complicated (and only necessary for this single feature), so we might as well just wait until we can improve the system altogether.