Mafia 15 [LOYALISTS WIN]

mutantdevle · 2017-09-25 22:42:14

Slabdrill wrote:

Devlin wrote:
If you mean that all role cards are the same then I wouldn't have known that. My team didn't post their exact role cards in the chat they just said what they can do.
Even just two similar rolecards is enough to make a lot of assumptions. Unless you're the "other" of your team, I'm not sure how you wouldn't have noticed the similarities.

Maybe because I didn’t study my role card? I read what my role does and moved on. The rest of the wording is irrelevant to me. Re-reading my role card I have found that it is indeed similar but also somewhat different. I don’t exactly get how the wording of the role cards matters anyway... it’s kinda a trivial thing imo.

mutantdevle · 2017-09-25 22:56:26

Slabdrill wrote:

The wording of the rolecard allows me to make a highly educated guess that both orange and purple have a killing and a chatting role.

So.... your faction is orange?

mutantdevle · 2017-09-25 23:10:55

Ofc people aren’t going to counter claim. By not doing so it means I get exiled which probably benefits them anyway. If you seriously think Abelysk is telling the truth then you also seriously think I somehow made a fake slip yesterday to try and back myself up. It would also mean you don’t believe that the faction names mean anything.

Both of those things you were either first or second to bring up so you’re actually contradicting yourself here.

I get the feeling you are only revoting me because Slabdrill is under pressure. I’m willing to bet at this point that you and Slabdrill are on the same team.

!vote Slabdrill

mutantdevle · 2017-09-25 23:19:01

jkdrip wrote:

Sure, except everyone today besides the faction with 4 wants to lynch the faction with 4. Honestly I ignored a lot of this page cause it seemed like a whole lot of gabbering about nothing.

There have been many people today who have shown little interest in lynching the faction with 4 players but I certainly haven’t been one of them. I’ve stressed several times today our main target is the recruiter but that getting any one of the faction with 4 players would be good enough.

mutantdevle · 2017-09-25 23:22:34

Something new just occurred to me. How do we know you get told if someone leaves your faction? Apparently Abelysk was told someone left his faction but how do we know he isn’t just using the rumour message to his advantage? It would certainly explain why there have been no counters.

mutantdevle · 2017-09-25 23:30:14

Lol you can’t just say my argument is invalid when it is still possible. Sure it’s not probable but neither was having all kills blocked N1. And I’m not “banking” on that being the case, I was simply stating it was a thought that entered my mind.

mutantdevle · 2017-09-25 23:48:55

jkdrip wrote:

I know for a fact that people don't get told when their members leave them!

*sigh* again I never stated this was the case, simply said it was an idea that popped into my head.

Also good job on using descriptive language to make that a fair comparison ?

There are a lot more reasons why Abelysk could have lied. A lie like that could achieve the following things:
- Give us the impression his faction is not a threat as 1 player when in reality there is 2 of them.
- Controls who gets lynched to best benifit his own team.
- If someone had counter claimed, it would allow him to identify a team that’s less of a threat due to a reduced player count.
- Watch as people start to oppose me so that he can identify who isn’t teamed with me.
- If it turns out his team is the one with the recruiter then it throws us off that scent.

Point 3 is why I believe there was no counter claim. Would you really save someone who’s not even on your team from getting lynched if it revealed information about your own team? I really don’t think anyone would because it is pretty much a lose lose situation for yourself.

mutantdevle · 2017-09-25 23:51:33

jkdrip wrote:

gucci
Also I take back what I said about the kill. 4 kills prevented by random in the same night doesn't seem likely. There's probably roles like Arso/WW, and the one I think we're dealing with atm: Vampire.

Could you please explain what these roles are and why you think they are in this game? I assume they are roles from town of Salem but other than that I’m not too sure what you mean by this

mutantdevle · 2017-09-26 00:07:55

Okay so you’ve explained what the roles are but why do you think they are in this game? They just don’t seem to fit this game imo and seem more unlikely of being in this game than teams not being told if someone leaves them.

Also this win win situation isn’t as true as you might think. Getting the highest faction lynched is a good thing but it doesn’t exclusively benifit yourself. And sure, revealing you lost a player may be beneficial short term but as soon as your faction either becomes the single biggest or the joint biggest you’d be the first to die since everyone knows you’re a part of that faction. You can’t just consider the short term with these kinds of decisions. Obviously the team who had the player taken from them are more long term players than you are.

mutantdevle · 2017-09-26 07:24:11

jkdrip wrote:

Slabdrill wrote:
whoa what you mean this game is more complicated than i thought?
also wow roleblock ok

Since when did a role block mean an escort? A role block could have happened due to an actual role blocker or perhaps the protection from protectors counts as a role block?

mutantdevle · 2017-09-26 09:37:27

Why would I make a fake slip to make it seem like I’m not on the team that’s about to have the fewest players... how stupid would that be? And again, why would I want to make it seem like someone else was on your team when that would practically give them immunity for a while...

You need to rethink the excuses you want to use to explain away your lies. Faking a slip would have no strategical advantage in the scenario you just gave. I have a better idea than coming up with another excuse though: put the shovel down and stop digging your hole.

I’d also like to point out that voting for your teammate like that wasn’t very tactical either. It would make it appear that you are definitely not on purple which makes you more of a target for the night kill, not less. Basically you voted for your own teammate to seem like less of a threat and achieved the opposite... I think this just shows how your logic is flawed just like your logic of framing me. You know, you should have been on the blue team because they are supposed to be the sly manipulative ones.

mutantdevle · 2017-09-26 09:46:34

Also I just realised there is actually a way to settle this now.

Killing me would only reveal my role and faction. There’s not really much you can learn about that situation there. However, if we kill Abelysk, when he doesn’t flip shooter you will know he is lying.

Since I’m at L-1 there is some information I’d like to share that would benefit everyone but his team: my faction tried to kill matthijsfidder last night but it was obviously prevented. If that was the result of protection then it means he can be guaranteed killed today. That’s just something I wanted to let my team (and I suppose the rest of you) know as I don’t think I’d get a chance to have my input over who should die tonight.

mutantdevle · 2017-09-26 11:54:11

jkdrip wrote:

MatthijsFidder wrote:
I jkdrip
my vote on devlin will stay.
???????????

MatthijsFidder and jkdrip are the exact same person confirmed.

Harmonious, hummerz5, Slabdrill

mutantdevle · 2017-09-26 14:31:48

You know the funny thing is I haven’t even actually changed teams. But none of you believe that do you? So you’re all going to assume that my faction is the one with the recruiter. As a result you’ll all target it until you’ve gotten rid of all 3 of us and found you’ve been after the wrong people the entire time. But by then it would be too late to do anything and the recruiting faction will take over and you’ll all lose. This false accusation has given me a hard time this game and there’s been especially no mercy from you jkdrip. It would be funny to see you in my situation just so you know how it feels to be framed.

mutantdevle · 2017-09-26 14:40:10

hummerz5 wrote:

devlin which faction are you that has not gained a player? if you're willing since you're close to lynch and all

I'm a loyalist. I have been from the very begging because, y'know, I'm loyal...

mutantdevle · 2017-09-26 15:11:30

jkdrip wrote:

Hey now, I gave you a chance by just waiting for a counterclaim.

True, but unfortunately for literally everyone, no one has counterclaimed.

To the team that's not counter claiming: seriously why? Sure, not counter claiming may keep your cover in the long term but that isn't going to do much good when the recruiting faction has 5 players...

mutantdevle · 2017-09-26 15:12:27

MatthijsFidder wrote:

why devlin?

why what? You kinda need to specify what you're asking...

mutantdevle · 2017-09-26 15:17:35

jkdrip wrote:

Why?

So that I can answer as accurately as possible. It's no good If I answer the wrong question.

mutantdevle · 2017-09-26 15:19:33

My post was also a joke in responding to a joke with seriousness

mutantdevle · 2017-09-26 15:22:13

MatthijsFidder wrote:

sometimes I just not ask it. but your messages devlin is my opinon to vote on you.
I really agree witch hummerz.

I understand that you're voting for me and that you're unlikely to change that, but what was your question?

mutantdevle · 2017-09-26 15:44:00

MatthijsFidder wrote:

Devlin wrote:
MatthijsFidder wrote:
sometimes I just not ask it. but your messages devlin is my opinon to vote on you.
I really agree witch hummerz.
I understand that you're voting for me and that you're unlikely to change that, but what was your question?
why are you funny?

If you mean why I would find it funny if jkdrip was falsely accused of changing teams then it's because he's put the most pressure on me since it happened to me and I would be interested to see how he would handle such situation differently.

If you mean why I am funny as a person then I guess it's a mixture of my personality defining genetics and the experiences I've had in my life that have developed my sense of humour as a coping method, a way of entertaining / cheering up others as well as a way to become more interesting as a person.

In the context of when you first asked the question, I assume you mean the first answer but the 2nd one is there just in case, though I wouldn't have thought my sense of humour is displayed much on the forums or this thread. So most likely you were after my first answer

mutantdevle · 2017-09-26 17:19:46

I predict diff will hammer.

Just sayin'

mutantdevle · 2017-10-09 15:29:04

It’s tragic that the game ended as it did but let’s be honest, the loyalists were going to win anyway. I’ll explain my thoughts on the game more when I can use my computer rather than my phone but I’d just like to say that I don’t think this was a bad game. It’s just obviously people aren’t tactical enough to play this edition of the game to a decent standard.

mrjawapa, MartenM, hummerz5, Harmonious, Onjit

mutantdevle · 2017-10-09 17:00:26

Here's my thoughts:

This game was a disaster through no fault of Onjit's. In my opinion, the factions were appropriately balanced. People were not thinking tactically enough about how to go about eliminating red. Lynching me may or may not have been a good decision but I can't help but think that if someone else was converted in my place I would have pushed more for a lynch on MrJaWapa. It was fairly obvious that he was defending me and as a result he may have been the converter. Of course he wasn't but no one knew that so it would have been a better lynch than myself. Again, by the time jkdrip was converted it was very obvious that MrJaWapa was defending the converted players and as a result the wagon should have built against him rather than jkdrip. The whole "you have no reason not to lynch if they are not on your team" didn't really play too true since there was 2 no lynches... like c'mon, how do you run out of time twice when you know everyone is against you?

@Slabdrill, since you knew hummerz was on red you should have said something about that... any red that isn't someone who has been converted is the potential converter. Sure you would have had to reveal your role (not necessarily your faction) but it would have been worth it to potentially eliminate the converter. Of course, hummerz wasn't the converter but instead was arguably a better kill. By taking out hummerz it would have meant a lot more people would die each night. At least, they would do if diff and marten bothered to kill anyone. I feel sorry for matthijsfidder since they were seemingly the only active member of their team (if post count and the spreadsheet were anything to go by).

Speaking of the spreadsheet; @Onjit what killed Abelysk? The spreadsheet doesn't say.

@Abelysk. This is what I said to Onjit when I found out I had changed team: "Oh sweet, I feel sorry for Abelysk now."
Then I looked at the thread and saw you exposed me and, despite joining a different team, I felt betrayed I had no intentions to go after you after that but obviously that feeling wasn't mutual.#

@Hummerz thanks for almost saving my life by noticing that the faction names mean something about the team Sadly for me though it wasn't enough.

@Zumza did you always plan to convince jkdrip next or did you take the 'advice' I left by me saying it would be funny to see jkdrip in my situation?

Finally @Onjit what was it that mad you so mad early on in the game? I gather it was primarily the inactivity but I'd like clarification on that

MatthijsFidder wrote:

that was mafia I like the game so who host the next game?

I believe jkdrip said last game that he was interested in hosting a game but wanted to gain a little more experience in the game before he does so. The game I have planned would also be quite fitting for the Halloween season but I think most people may be wanting a break from these experimental / advanced games and would prefer a simpler more traditional setup. However, you seem quite invested in the idea of hosting a game and currently I would have no objections to that. If you are to host the next game I think a simple setup (with the majority of players being vanilla townie) would be best and most well received.

mutantdevle · 2017-10-09 17:01:59

MatthijsFidder wrote:

so can I host the next maffia?

(The point in my post above is: yes, probably. Just make it a more traditional one for everyone's sakes).

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