Underwater Ruins Unofficial Contest! [Winners!]

Offensive Ray · 2017-09-17 16:16:23

Kirby wrote:

I like how you responded to my points completely out of order... and also didn't answer most of them.
Oray wrote:
-Game play is considered almost as a type of minigames.
that doesn't help or answer anything
Oray wrote:
-Re-read the edition of the topic, you would notice that i removed it.
dunno which point you're trying to respond to. Assuming it's the minimap art one, but in the OP, it's still there
Oray wrote:
-Full sign-up details.
But I still don't get what it's referring to. Couldn't you have said "Follow the sign-up guidelines or you'll be disqualified", or were you talking about submitting levels? ...or both?
Oray wrote:
-You could do the theme as you want, you could even do a ruined ship under the water, or as you gave the picture.
I'm going to hold you to this, just keep that in mind
Oray wrote:
-Actually we can't just say a judge at a player that he helped, but if we SAW a player helping a team who's outer the team, the team and the player (if he had a team or he worked solo) will be disqualified both.
But why? Outside helpers don't get gems, so it's purely out of the goodness of their help. Also, what constitutes as helping? If I ask someone to test and give feedback, do I get disqualified?
Oray wrote:
-The players have a month to build a level, in another question: Why not?
rip wide and ultrawide worlds. Also, long levels can get tedious, so I don't want the judges to get bored. "hurr durr if its good they wont" after judging a bunch of worlds the judges might appreciate a short and sweet level
Oray wrote:
Will change points for the last time, so art and minigames both will have 30 points so it would be fair.
That doesn't answer my question at all. I'll post it again I guess
Kirby wrote:
-Luka said that you'd focus on what the players are good at, but you can't do that when you're using a point scale, unless you're just more lenient with the other scores... which isn't fair because someone could say that they were focusing on concept/creativity, which is worth 10 points, then get easier points for gameplay, minimap art, ingame art, and minigames.

Thanks for your help, I appreciate it, I'll add stuff you mentioned, in fact, you have much more experiences in contests than I do, again I'm very thankful to you.

Now Gameplay and Minigames are together, In-game art and minimap art are together, these all are worth 60/100, theme is now 20/100, creativity is 20/100 too, Is that better? Or would you like to suggest something new?

Changed the sign-up details rules, added yours, thank you for putting it instead.

Okay, I'll keep the outer-help point in mind.

Re-check the maps now, is it better?

For everyone who signed in, if you were solo tell me that on PM, if you want to be on a team say full info about the team, name of the team, leader, members and the URL.
Sign in new people

Filip2005 · 2017-09-17 16:41:39

EE Username: Filip2005
Personality : Artist ( Bob Ross )
Bio : Interests in nature , is here for this competition for talent , and gems specifically
World Title / Address : Merfolkian temple http://everybodyedits.com/games/PWfrhxLxDBcEI

Offensive Ray · 2017-09-17 16:43:23

Filip2005 The Junior help wrote:

EE Username: Filip2005
Personality : Artist ( Bob Ross )
Bio : Interests in nature , is here for this competition for talent , and gems specifically

It is for both.
Please insert your world URL on time.

Filip2005, danielcool1

skullz17 · 2017-09-17 16:46:09

Kirby wrote:

Outside helpers don't get gems, so it's purely out of the goodness of their help

idk if you were high when you wrote this but it doesn't make any sense. Outside help gives a team an edge over other teams, and is therefore unfair. Sure, everyone might be allowed to get outside help, but that doesn't mean everyone has equal access to outside help.

Filip2005 · 2017-09-17 16:46:21

Oray wrote:

Filip2005 The Junior help wrote:
EE Username: Filip2005
Personality : Artist ( Bob Ross )
Bio : Interests in nature , is here for this competition for talent , and gems specifically
It is for both.
Please insert your world URL on time.

I've done it , i just wanted to post and later a minute post the link , because I needed to find a "Free space" world

Offensive Ray

Offensive Ray · 2017-09-17 16:50:30

skullz17 wrote:

Kirby wrote:
Outside helpers don't get gems, so it's purely out of the goodness of their help
idk if you were high when you wrote this but it doesn't make any sense. Outside help gives a team an edge over other teams, and is therefore unfair. Sure, everyone might be allowed to get outside help, but that doesn't mean everyone has equal access to outside help.

Actually kirby's words make sense, however the guy who helped these people won't be rewarded so..

skullz17 · 2017-09-17 16:56:24

Oray wrote:

skullz17 wrote:
Kirby wrote:
Outside helpers don't get gems, so it's purely out of the goodness of their help
idk if you were high when you wrote this but it doesn't make any sense. Outside help gives a team an edge over other teams, and is therefore unfair. Sure, everyone might be allowed to get outside help, but that doesn't mean everyone has equal access to outside help.
Actually kirby's words make sense, however the guy who helped these people won't be rewarded so..

But the people who were helped WILL be rewarded. So it's unfair on the other teams who didn't get help or didn't get help of equal quality.

Imagine you have team A and team B. They each have a minigame maker and an artist who are of equal skill. In a 100% fair contest, their worlds should be of equal quality. However, team A has a friend who is really good at drawing trees or something, but isn't good at drawing other things, which is why the minimaker from team A decided to team up with the more well rounded artist. But it doesn't matter because they can get help from this friend and increase the quality of the art in their world. Meanwhile, team B's friends are all of lesser skill in every area, so there would be no point getting help from them. Both teams are allowed to get outside help, but only team A benefits. Team A's world ends up having a slightly higher quality than team B's world. Therefore, it is totally unfair to allow outside help.

Now if skill was completely 1 dimensional, it wouldn't matter, because you just team up with the highest skilled friend and the outside help shouldn't raise the quality of the world because it's already at its highest possible point. However, the problem is that skills can be specialised and people can fill gaps in teams, so outside help can raise the quality of a world even if their overall skill is lower than the team.

Offensive Ray · 2017-09-17 17:00:38

skullz17 wrote:

But the people who were helped WILL be rewarded. So it's unfair on the other teams who didn't get help or didn't get help of equal quality.
Imagine you have team A and team B. They each have a minigame maker and an artist who are of equal skill. In a 100% fair contest, their worlds should be of equal quality. However, team A has a friend who is really good at drawing trees or something, but isn't good at drawing other things, which is why the minimaker from team A decided to team up with the more well rounded artist. But it doesn't matter because they can get help from this friend and increase the quality of the art in their world. Meanwhile, team B's friends are all of lesser skill in every area, so there would be no point getting help from them. Both teams are allowed to get outside help, but only team A benefits. Team A's world ends up having a slightly higher quality than team B's world. Therefore, it is totally unfair to allow outside help.

It's not unfair at all, the guy won't be rewarded, if he wants so then why should I be complaining?
As kirby said it would be idiot to disqualify the team because it's their choice.

skullz17 · 2017-09-17 17:02:34

Oray wrote:

skullz17 wrote:
But the people who were helped WILL be rewarded. So it's unfair on the other teams who didn't get help or didn't get help of equal quality.
Imagine you have team A and team B. They each have a minigame maker and an artist who are of equal skill. In a 100% fair contest, their worlds should be of equal quality. However, team A has a friend who is really good at drawing trees or something, but isn't good at drawing other things, which is why the minimaker from team A decided to team up with the more well rounded artist. But it doesn't matter because they can get help from this friend and increase the quality of the art in their world. Meanwhile, team B's friends are all of lesser skill in every area, so there would be no point getting help from them. Both teams are allowed to get outside help, but only team A benefits. Team A's world ends up having a slightly higher quality than team B's world. Therefore, it is totally unfair to allow outside help.
It's not unfair at all, the guy won't be rewarded, if he wants so then why should I be complaining?
As kirby said it would be idiot to disqualify the team because it's their choice.

Ok I will just choose to use map hacks in a game tournament, and it's ok because the map hacks won't be rewarded and it's my choice?

seriously though, how are you still confused after the previous example. Team A could win the contest because of this, even though they're of equal skill to team B.

Offensive Ray · 2017-09-17 17:06:10

skullz17 wrote:

Ok I will just choose to use map hacks in a game tournament, and it's ok because the map hacks won't be rewarded and it's my choice?
seriously though, how are you still confused after the previous example. Team A could win the contest because of this, even though they're of equal skill to team B.

Asking another player to help isn't hacking, what logic is this?
And since he won't be rewarded I don't care, it's my contest I choose what should be in this, if you want to sign in just go and do it, if you don't then don't it's your choice.

Offensive Ray · 2017-09-17 17:07:49

Now back to sign ins, please post anything you want to say about this contest HERE

skullz17 · 2017-09-17 17:09:44

Oray wrote:

skullz17 wrote:
Ok I will just choose to use map hacks in a game tournament, and it's ok because the map hacks won't be rewarded and it's my choice?
seriously though, how are you still confused after the previous example. Team A could win the contest because of this, even though they're of equal skill to team B.
Asking another player to help isn't hacking, what logic is this?
And since he won't be rewarded I don't care, it's my contest I choose what should be in this, if you want to sign in just go and do it, if you don't then don't it's your choice.

Is there a limit to the number of players on a team?

Offensive Ray · 2017-09-17 17:11:20

skullz17 wrote:

Oray wrote:
skullz17 wrote:
Ok I will just choose to use map hacks in a game tournament, and it's ok because the map hacks won't be rewarded and it's my choice?
seriously though, how are you still confused after the previous example. Team A could win the contest because of this, even though they're of equal skill to team B.
Asking another player to help isn't hacking, what logic is this?
And since he won't be rewarded I don't care, it's my contest I choose what should be in this, if you want to sign in just go and do it, if you don't then don't it's your choice.
Is there a limit to the number of players on a team?

3 players per team.

skullz17 · 2017-09-17 17:18:34

Oray wrote:

skullz17 wrote:
Oray wrote:
skullz17 wrote:
Ok I will just choose to use map hacks in a game tournament, and it's ok because the map hacks won't be rewarded and it's my choice?
seriously though, how are you still confused after the previous example. Team A could win the contest because of this, even though they're of equal skill to team B.
Asking another player to help isn't hacking, what logic is this?
And since he won't be rewarded I don't care, it's my contest I choose what should be in this, if you want to sign in just go and do it, if you don't then don't it's your choice.
Is there a limit to the number of players on a team?
3 players per team.

Ok. I was just thinking, if there was no limit, it would make sense that outside help wouldn't matter. But, if there is a limit, it matters a lot. I mentioned the hacking, because it allows me to have an advantage over other participants. Similarly, having friends that can fill gaps in your team of three can create an advantage that isn't available to everyone. In a completely fair contest, two teams of equal skill should create worlds of equal quality. Do you agree? If so, you must realise that the example I mentioned earlier with team A and B is an example of how this may not be the case if you allow outside help, which therefore means that such a rule isn't fair.

Offensive Ray · 2017-09-17 17:24:52

.. It does make sense, just if you don't want to sign in then don't.
And don't post anything in this topic again please..

If you want to argue then do it on the site I gave to you.

Kirby · 2017-09-17 17:29:25

Oray wrote:

.. It does make sense, just if you don't want to sign in then don't.
And don't post anything in this topic again please..
If you want to argue then do it on the site I gave to you.

pls this isn't an official contest you don't need two topics

Offensive Ray · 2017-09-17 17:30:39

Kirby wrote:

Oray wrote:
.. It does make sense, just if you don't want to sign in then don't.
And don't post anything in this topic again please..
If you want to argue then do it on the site I gave to you.
pls this isn't an official contest you don't need two topics

I don't want this to turn to debate spam, I just want this topic for the contest.

Filip2005 · 2017-09-17 18:02:41

EE Username: Filip2005
Personality : Artist ( Bob Ross )
Bio : Interests in nature , is here for this competition for talent , and gems specifically
World Title / Address : Merfolkian temple http://everybodyedits.com/games/PWfrhxLxDBcEI

(Re written due to notices)

Offensive Ray

Filip2005 · 2017-09-17 18:06:42

Tygrcz would like to apply but he doesn't want to be on forums, please add him , thank you

name: TygrCZ
type: artist
link: PWJm0w_xwhcEI

Offensive Ray

Kirby · 2017-09-18 01:16:37

Oray wrote:

Now Gameplay and Minigames are together, In-game art and minimap art are together, these all are worth 60/100, theme is now 20/100, creativity is 20/100 too, Is that better? Or would you like to suggest something new?

yea i have a suggestion, dont do a score system. they don't work.

you'll know which levels were your favorites and which were your least favorites by the time the judging is over

Master1, Xfrogman43, Slabdrill, Offensive Ray

Norwee · 2017-09-18 01:56:47

Username: Norwegianboy
World URL: http://everybodyedits.com/games/PWXDeboy-BcEI
Beta world URL: http://beta.everybodyedits.com/games/PWXDeboy-BcEI

Offensive Ray · 2017-09-18 11:33:46

Kirby wrote:

Oray wrote:
Now Gameplay and Minigames are together, In-game art and minimap art are together, these all are worth 60/100, theme is now 20/100, creativity is 20/100 too, Is that better? Or would you like to suggest something new?
yea i have a suggestion, dont do a score system. they don't work.
you'll know which levels were your favorites and which were your least favorites by the time the judging is over

Might think about it.

Added you to the list Norwegianboy.

Guest. · 2017-09-18 12:50:48

Oray wrote:

So you suggest not using scoring system?

Kirby wrote:

yea i have a suggestion, dont do a score system

take a wild guess

Master1

peace · 2017-09-18 14:39:46

peace wrote:

everybodyedits name: peace
im good at: having ideas for worlds
soooo im joining this contest if i can... for now im solo but if anyones wants to join me.. k just ask me and ill consider if i want you or not

sooooo oray you skipped me i signed up but you diddn tput me in th elist

Offensive Ray · 2017-09-18 15:34:23

peace wrote:

everybodyedits name: peace
im good at: having ideas for worlds
soooo im joining this contest if i can... for now im solo but if anyones wants to join me.. k just ask me and ill consider if i want you or not

You're not sure if you want to be in a team or solo yet, choose and I'll add you.
I'll add you as solo right now, if any changes happened you'll have to PM me here on forums.

peace

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