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Re: Mafia 14 [Mafia + Processor win!]

Democracy has spoken and Processor must be hung. Processor smiled as his death was announced and went running towards the noose with a smile on his face. Giggling to himself he announced "goodbye cruel world" and stepped of the stool and with a choke and a chuckle he was dead. Many townsfolk were shocked to see how willing he was to be lynched so investigated his home immediately. They were surprised to find that Processor had been planning his death for a while but was unsure whether to die by the hands of the mafia or the vote of the town; so it was concluded he was a joker-jester. His planning concluded that ultimately he had decided to get himself hung so it would seem that Processor has been victorious, congratulations.

▼Joker-Jester

Role: Joker-Jester
Description: Living isn’t really your thing. This town is beyond hope and you would rather not be a part of it. Whether you take a bullet or swing from a rope, the way you depart is up to you. Of course you could always use your car to leave town but where’s the fun in that? Besides, there is a bomb attached to your car and you don’t win by exploding.
Win Condition: Meet the win condition that you decide for yourself every night.

Joker or Jester: Each night you may choose whether you consider yourself a Joker or a Jester. If you choose Jester you will win if you are hung the following day. If you choose Joker you win if you are shot the following night.
Usage: At night, PM me if you want to be a Joker or a Jester for the following day.
Notes: You do not win if you get hung when you are a Joker or shot when you are a Jester. If you are a Joker your win condition is not decided for the current night but rather for the next one. For example if you choose Joker on night 1 and you are shot then you do not win, but if you are shot on night 2 you do win. The game does not end when you win. You cannot win on day 1 or night 1.

Car Bomb: There is a bomb on your car that will explode if used… don’t use it.
Usage: This ability is automatic if a player uses your car.

Role Type: Selfish

Final vote count:

hummerz5: jkdrip Total: 1
Abelysk: hummerz5. Total: 1
Processor: HeyNK, Abelysk, Music Man, Gosha, Processor. Total: 5 Lynched.

Not voting: Onjit, Evilbunny. Total: 2

Night phase has now begun.
Night 3 ends on the 9th September 20:00 BST.
https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/l … nt=cursive

Please may EVERYONE message me the night actions they wish to perform and / or what transport they wish to use tomorrow.

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Re: Mafia 14 [Mafia + Processor win!]

The sun rises. Night 3 is over. Day 4 begins.

▼EE Times

7 players alive. 4 votes are needed for a majority.

Day 4 ends on the 12th of September 21:00 BST.
https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/e … nt=cursive

Both trains will be running today.

(The night ended early because I am busy irl, I might not be too responsive over the next day or so).

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mutantdevle

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Re: Mafia 14 [Mafia + Processor win!]

I'd like to take a moment of your time to announce that I am a complete **** up. This post will be very meta-able but I think in the current situation it is balanced in what gets revealed since it seems it is currently a jkdrip vs hummerz situation.

If you couldn't tell by the EE times, I plan to remove the transport system after this game. Why? Because whilst it's fun to watch the whole joy rider - car thief drama, the behind the scenes stuff has been a disaster. It's been complicated, to say the least, to keep track off. Especially since I've had less time than I first anticipated and google sheets seems to be bugging (causing me to have to record actions on my phone). As a result of this confusion I have made mistakes in recording who is doing what (well I got the night abilities right but not the transport).

For some reason, despite walking, I have hummerz marked on the spreadsheet as taking a car. The message hummerz gave to me and the message I gave to hummerz on day 2 was the result of walking. This means that if jkdrip had someway of knowing how hummerz travelled at the beginning of day 2, then he would have received the wrong result. So ironically, the debate between if jkdrip or hummerz is lying, is actually that they are both telling the truth from their own perspective.

I apologise for the inconvenience my stupidity has caused. I expected to make mistakes since it's my first time hosting but I was hoping I wouldn't make a mistake that would affect the game in such a way as this . Just to summarise, this post isn't confirming either hummerz or jkdrip as the roles or alignments they claim to be, but rather stating that they are both theoretically correct in what they are saying about how hummerz travelled on day 2.

You may continue about your accusations.

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Re: Mafia 14 [Mafia + Processor win!]

I've been borrowing people's cars EVERY night, yet your will shows me riding car only on last night? How strangeee...

Yeah again, that was me being a **** up. I really messed jkdrip's role up in general. Jkdrip's readings in general would be wrong if he has a way of knowing who took cars, so if you did take a car those days then he theoretically would have the wrong result.

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Re: Mafia 14 [Mafia + Processor win!]

Music Man had been minding his own business throughout the week. He was doing nothing wrong and no one was saying he was. But then all of a sudden the town caught him by surprise. They had declared that Music Man was mafia and they were adamant about it. Soon a gang had formed against him and didn't even allow him a chance to defend himself! Music Man was to be hanged that day and there was nothing he could do about it. As the lever was pulled and the stool fell away, Music Man hung motionless and dangling. The town watched on as nothing happened. They began to question what they had done; nothing had seemed off about Music Man at all, he was only lynched out of the process of elimination. This is when his body was caught by a strong wind and some car keys fell out his pocket. As he swung backwards in the wind another pair fell... it seems that Music Man had a lot of car keys on him, but they were not his own! It seems the town has finally found their car thief. 

(I've just realised that this red text doesn't really work).

▼Car Theif

Role: Car Thief
Description: People are making their way around the town too fast for your liking and it’s time you put a stop to it. This technically makes you one of the good guys right? You're reducing pollution, that must be good.

Theft: At night you may choose a player who’s car you wish to steal. This player will then permanently lose their car for the rest of the game.
Usage: At night, state which user whose car you wish to steal either through PM or in the night chat.
Notes: Can only be used once per night. Using this ability will disallow you from performing the faction kill.

Role Type: Support

Final vote count:

Music Man: jkdrip, hummerz5, Abelysk, Onjit. Total: 4 Lynched

Not voting: Gosha, Music Man, Evilbunny. Total: 3

Night phase has now begun.
Night 4 will roughly end on the 11th September at 9:00 BST.
https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/l … nt=cursive

Please may EVERYONE message me the night actions they wish to perform and / or what transport they wish to use tomorrow.

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Re: Mafia 14 [Mafia + Processor win!]

The sun rises. Night 4 is over. Day 5 begins.

▼EE Times

▼Revealed Role Card(s)

▼Wizard

Role: Wizard
Description: This town is owned by you and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise; not that anyone knows that though. Magic is strictly forbidden in this town but it’s a good thing you can control it. There is also a strange magical stench in the air. You know it isn’t you because you shower regularly. This must be a Witch you can smell. Whilst you are alive the Witch cannot take control!
Win Condition: All threats to the town must be eliminated, this includes the Witch.

Witch Hunt: At night you may choose a player. You will be told if this player is magical.
Usage: At night, PM me the name of the user you wish to inspect.
Notes: You will only be told if the user is magical and will not be told their exact role. Players under the influence of magic will appear as magical.

Influence: During the day you may influence people into voting a certain way; but there is no guarantee they will keep their vote to what you change it to. Players will not be told if you changed their vote. Additionally, you may force a person into keeping their vote fixed. This will possess the target player making them unable to change their vote. Everyone will be aware that this player’s vote is being forced. You may use this ability up to 5 times in total.
Usage: At any point during the day PM me the name of a player you wish to influence and who their vote will be placed on. Also state whether the vote will be fixed or not.
Notes: Both fixed and unfixed votes count towards the total of 5. You may influence someone to vote against you. You may not influence yourself to vote against someone else. You may use each of the 5 influences in 1 day but you will not be able to influence anyone thereafter.

Role Type: Support > Selfish - Magical

5 players alive. 3 votes are needed for a majority.

Day 5 ends on the 14th of September 21:00 BST.

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/e … nt=cursive

Both trains will be running today.

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Re: Mafia 14 [Mafia + Processor win!]

Today was Gosha's turn to be lynched and unsurprisingly he didn't accept the result. Gosha was being dragged towards the rope whilst he was kicking and screaming. He was determined that he wasn't going to go down without a fight. Suddenly, Gosha broke free and started running as fast as he could in the opposite direction. However, Onjit was faster than Gosha and quickly caught up with him. By now the 2 had been separated from the crowd. A fight broke out between the 2 and ended with Onjit tackling Gosha to the ground. But the grin of his victory soon faded from Onjit's face as he felt some kind of vest underneath Gosha's shirt. Gosha smiled as he gave up with trying to get away. Red lights started blinking faster and faster from within the vest and Onjit's efforts to get away were futile. Gosha exploded in a ball of flames which engulfed Onjit within the second. It was clear that Gosha was a suicide bomber. The rest of the town watched on helplessly as the flames died down to reveal Onjit's stationary dead corpse.

The town sat in sorrow as Onjit was buried along side the other bodies of the town, including Gosha's. When all of a sudden light appeared from Onjit's grave and out rose a ghostly figure. It was Onjit! By now the town was fearful of Onjit's spirit until he explained to them that he was simply a medium and as a result, his soul is able to persist for another day in the town.

▼Medium

Role: Medium
Description: Magic is strictly forbidden in this town! But you only use your forces for good. You wish to be treated like an ordinary townie, but the laws of the land just don’t view you that way. You wish you could openly help them in the common cause of lynching the Mafia. But unfortunately you must talk to the dead from within the shadows or the Witch Hunters will be sure to make you join them in the grave.

Shadow Talk: The dead are most active within the night so this is when you talk to them. During the night you may request to talk to a dead player. You may ask this player 3 questions which they are allowed to answer. Your identity is not revealed to the dead player.
Usage: At night, PM me the name of the dead user you wish to talk to.
Notes: This ability can only be used on dead players. You can only talk to 1 dead player each night. All questions and answers are passed on through me. Messages may not be more than 200 characters.

Dead Talk: You are able to communicate with Ghosts in a separate chat. This chat is open both day and night.
Usage: This ability is automatically used when you have this role.
Notes: This chat will be separate to the dead players chat. Only Ghosts and Mediums can talk here.

Death Day: Your body has been discovered but your soul persists in the town. You can continue talking up to 1 day after you death. You will not be able to vote on this day.
Usage: This ability applies automatically when you are dead.
Notes: When the day is over you will lose the ability to chat. You cannot vote on this day. Everyone will be aware you are dead.

Role Type: Investigative > Support - Magical

▼Suicide Bomber

Role: Suicide Bomber
Description: Boom boom boom. You are packed with explosives and you’re not afraid to use them. Whether this be a sacrifice of yourself for the greater Mafia cause, or a quick edit to a car to make the occupant explode; you truly are the master of the boom.

Final act: If you get lynched you will explode killing the person who hammered you.
Usage: This ability is used automatically when you get lynched.
Notes: Other Mafia members are not immune to this. This ability does not keep you alive.

Terrorism: At night you are allowed to choose a player. You will then blow yourself up killing both you and the player. This can be used to get a second kill at night.
Usage: At night, state the player you wish to blow up either through PM or in the night chat.
Notes: You may not choose any Mafia member. Using this ability will kill you. Using this ability will disallow you from performing the faction kill.

Car Bomb: At night you may place or move a car bomb from underneath player’s cars. If a player tries to use a car that has a bomb underneath it, the car will explode killing the occupant. You can move the car bomb between cars once per night.
Usage: At night, state which player’s car you wish to move or place the car bomb on, either through PM or in the night chat.
Notes: You only get 1 car bomb. If another player tries to use someone’s car whilst there is a car bomb on it then it will explode killing them instead. You may choose the car of ANY player. If you place a car bomb on a car that already has a car bomb then it will explode and kill you. Using this ability will disallow you from performing the faction kill.

Role Type: Killing > Selfish

Final vote count:

Gosha: Abelysk, jkdrip Onjit. Total: 3 Lynched

Not voting: Gosha, hummerz5. Total: 2

Night phase has now begun.
Night 5 will roughly end on the 13th September at 17:30 BST.
https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/l … nt=cursive

Please may EVERYONE message me the night actions they wish to perform and / or what transport they wish to use tomorrow.

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Re: Mafia 14 [Mafia + Processor win!]

Also, I apologise for taking so long to end the day after a majority was reached. I was asleep at that time and I've been busy all day

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Re: Mafia 14 [Mafia + Processor win!]

I am ending the night earlier as it would be pointless to keep it going after everyone has entered their night actions.

▼EE Times

*everytime I refer to Gosha I mean Abelysk.

In Abelysk's home a will was found. It read as follows:

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Abelisk the Joy Rider
N1 - Onjit
N2 - jkdrip
N3 - Gosha
N4 - did not use
N5 - Hummerz5
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▼Revealed Role Card(s)

▼Car Spotter

Role: Car Spotter.
Description: Your family laughed at you when you said you liked to spot cars for a hobby. Well guess who’s laughing now! Still them. But at least now your hobby is useful. If a car is used then you will know about it. Your are a next level detective because you watch the actions of cars and not people.

Stalk: Each night you may select a user who you will watch. If they use ANY car during the night then you will know about it.
Usage: At night, PM me the name of the user who you wish to watch.
Notes: You do not need to travel to use this ability. You may only watch 1 person per night. You will not be told their role or where they travel. You are able to watch them even if their car broke down.

Car Spotting: At the beginning of every morning you will be given a list of everyone who is using a car to get to town.
Usage: This ability applies automatically each sunrise.
Notes: Cars that break down will be listed as people using cars. You will not be told if they use any other transport.

Role Type: Investigative > Selfish

Also hummerz5 was a sniper:

▼Sniper

Role: Sniper
Description: Your trusty sniper rifle is always by your side. You are able to take out your opponents from a very long distance. This means you do not have to visit your victim's house. Furthermore, you will never leave behind any evidence!

Sniper Rifle: You can perform the faction kill from the comfort of your own home. This means there is no risk of you being killed whilst performing the kill and no risk of leaving any evidence at the scene. Killing in comfort also allows you to clean up after yourself leaving no evidence that you committed the crime. You will not be seen entering the victim's house.
Usage: This ability applies automatically when performing the faction kill.
Notes: This ability does not protect you from being killed or caught at night when in your own home. This ability only applies to you; other Mafia roles kill as normal.

Role Type: Killing > Support

Hummerz5 is the only player left standing and did not die. Since hummerz is aligned with the Mafia, the Mafia has won the game.

▼My thoughts on how the game was played

MartenM: When he found out Abelysk was a joy rider, he only ever rode Abelysk's car from that point on. So basically, despite his role, he had no negative impact on the town at all so well done to him for that. It's a shame he didn't put up any defence when accused and got lynched, he really shouldn't have role claimed

Jkdrip: I messed your role up a lot so I apologise for that. My inability to correctly tell you who take a car each day did mess the game up a fair bit but I don't think it would have changed the outcome. If anything, if I hadn't had messed things up, you would never have been suspicious of hummerz meaning the town would have lost by a greater margin.

Hummerz: I consider you the MVP of the game. You were fairly trusted by the town, you made great contributions to the mafia, and that curse claim was just brilliant. For those of you who haven't realised yet, hummerz didn't actually have a curse. It was a brilliant form of defence that made people turn a blind eye to any scummy actions you may have made. Well played good sir.

2 joy riders: It was entertaining to see how most people did not think that 2 joy riders could exist and it was one of the main things that led to the town's downfall.

The starting curse: The town was badly damaged by MrJaWapa's death and it basically set mafia up for a win from the get go. The player who received the starting curse was selected 100% randomly. It was unfortunate that it landed on the town's most powerful role and that Jawapa would not pass the curse on. It was a fairly stupid curse to be honest and I don't think I will have many starting curses in the future. But if I do, I will probably rig them to start on someone less important or just generally have them as less harmful.

Dead chat: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/xLNdqtVn3Reh

Mafia chat: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/5Na9QUQGnix

▼Spreadsheet

The spreadsheet became corrupted somehow and it's really glitchy so I gave up with it for the last few days. So, unfortunately, you can't see people's night actions. But here's a summary of the main stuff:

Everyone was able to walk and take a car except processor who also had a bike. No one had a train or bus ticket.

MrJaWapa had the following starting curse:
- Death: You will automatically die after 1 amount of days. 1 was decided by rolling a dice. *he did not know this due to ambiguity.
- Tales: Every player you vote for will gain the ability to leave a final will. *he did not know this due to ambiguity.
- Empty: You cannot win whilst you have this curse. Your win condition no longer applies to you. *he did not know this due to ambiguity.
- Ambiguity: If you have or gain any other curses you will not be told what they are. *not affected by ambiguity
- Passage:  Each night you may use !curse (playername) to pass this curse onto someone else. *not affected by ambiguity

No one else had any curses.

▼Player's roles

Slabdrill - Hiden Witch
Processor - Joker-Jester
hummerz5 - Sniper
Gosha - Suicide Bomber
Music Man - Car Theif
Evilbunny - Wizard
maxi123 / HeyNK and different55 - Witch Hunters
MartenM and Abelysk - Joy Riders
MrJaWapa - Detective
jkdrip - Car Spotter
Onjit - Medium

Overall it was fun hosting my first game, but also hard. I definately wasn't perfect at it but I definitely put the effort in. I made many mistakes and I will learn from them to make any future games I host the best they can be. I don't want to host the next game and would prefer someone else to do so. But if there is not game for about a month or so then I will consider making a new one.

Things I am going to change / do differently next time:

- Remove the transport system. Whist it was fun to see the whole car theif drama, the system was too conveluted and hard to keep up with. As a result I will be removing it and any roles that focus around it. This means that I will also add some more roles to go in their place.
- Use blue text. The red text doesn't really work when announcing the mafia, so instead I will use blue.
- Reduce the impact of starting curses. That curse basically screwed the town a lot from it killing MrJaWapa, so I need to be more careful when choosing starting curses in the future.
- Take my time. For the most part of this game, I was rushing to meet deadlines. As a result I made some mistakes. In future games, I will wait until I have enough time to write messages so that I can maximise their creativity and accuracy.

The winners of this game are:
proccessor, Gosha, hummerz5 and Music Man. Congratulations to them.

Thank you to everyone who played this game, as well as to those of you who just watched it (I noticed there was a few people following the game who wern't actually playing). I hope you found it just as enjoyable to play as I did to host (despite my mistakes).

If you have any questions or concerns then feel free to ask.

GG everyone.

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mutantdevle

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Re: Mafia 14 [Mafia + Processor win!]

I feel like proc's playing style is perfect for being jester.

That's why I rigged was happy that he got that role.

I didn't actually rig it fyi.

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Re: Mafia 14 [Mafia + Processor win!]

Oh **** just realised the EE times is supposed to say Abelysk not Gosha... whoops.

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mutantdevle

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Re: Mafia 14 [Mafia + Processor win!]

The setup was 3 maf, 2 neutral and 8 town. Also the detective role is designed to become more and more OP as the game goes on. Obviously it didn't get a chance to do that. The sniper role avoided the car spotter (who is basically a transport lookout); if someone else did the kill whilst you were watching them then you'd be able to realise that. Finally the medium can be very OP if killed earlier in the game. So the town were pretty strong since they were mostly investigators. It's just that things didn't really go their way.

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Re: Mafia 14 [Mafia + Processor win!]

I'm amazed how mafia was able to play so downright horribly and still win

The Mafia did not play horribly at all. They were a decent team and thought about the game tactically. The only real change I would have made in their position would be to kill jkdrip sooner.

There should not have been a jester in this setup, read the dead thread. Overall bad balance but it probably would have been winnable if we lynched hummerz.

Your problem you mentioned with a jester variant in the dead chat isn't exclusive to this setup. You are basically saying that jester variants shouldn't exist in mafia at all. Of course, different roles are going to have easier or harder win conditions, it doesn't mean they shouldn't exist. It adds diversity to the game and makes it more interesting. Also, lynching hummerz wouldn't have been a guaranteed win. The town still wasted a lot of time figuring out there were 2 joy riders and the main investigative role died N1; those are the 2 main reasons that the town probably lost.

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Re: Mafia 14 [Mafia + Processor win!]

bad game

too much going on at once

Hence why I am removing transport; aka the failed experiment.

was probably rigged

Lol no, if it was then you wouldn't have started with the curse. Also:

obviously proc is a neutral role, as per usual

Wouldn't have happened if rigged kek.

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Re: Mafia 14 [Mafia + Processor win!]

The Mafia did not play horribly at all. They were a decent team and thought about the game tactically. The only real change I would have made in their position would be to kill jkdrip sooner.

"Lurking while being carried by hummerz is tactical"

Second, you should have said that this game was bastard so that I could have avoided signing up for it in the first place. Does this forum hold any non-role madness games? I'd love to see lurking scum win one of those.

Well, to be fair, I did say it might end up as a bastard game. You obviously didn't read this post

Also yes, other people do host games (I believe onjit plans to host the next one sometime). But the only mafia member you can even remotely consider to have let them down was Gosha, and even then that was mainly due to his time zone and computer access. Music Man was also a decent player, it's just unfortunate that he was consecutively voted for when he was offline. Also no offence, but the mafia played waaay more tactically than you did kek. Finally, town losing does not make it a bastard game. It's a common tactic for scum to lurk slightly as to not draw too much attention to themselves. Of course being too silent draws suspicion but being vocal doesn't always make you a good player. For example, different55 and MrJaWapa don't excessively comment like some players do, but they are still strong players. Besides, Music Man and Processor could be considered lurkers since they are not the most active of players, but that is just their play style and they both use it effectively (from what I've seen of them).

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