Mafia 13 game [TOWN WINS!]

TaskManager · 2017-08-08 15:08:29

Welcome to the Mafia 13!

The sign up thread can be found here.

This is a closed setup.
The rolecards that have been found by the Town on the bodies of dead people will be listed in the 2nd post of the thread.

Please read the rules thanks

General Rules
1. All forum rules apply, however multi-posting rules are more lenient. So long as your posts are relevant to the game it shouldn't be an issue.
2. Do not post in this thread unless you are alive in the game. All posts made by dead players and people not in the game will be deleted.
3. You may not edit or delete your posts. This function will be disabled in this game.
4. If you stay inactive too long or not contributing to discussion , you will be prodded for inactivity and replaced if you don't respond to the prod within 24 hours.
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6. Do not gamethrow. Gamethrowing is defined as actively working against your role/faction's win condition, and is dealt with on a case by case basis.
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Roles have been sent out.

The sun rises above the Town and the Day 1 begins! This is a short day and will last 24 hours. You can lynch during this day. 7 votes needed for majority.
The day will end on August 9th, 22:00 UTC or when a majority has been reached.
Current UTC time can be seen here: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/timezone/utc

AlphaJon

hummerz5 · 2017-08-09 01:04:32

Also claiming vanilla townie what now

Evilbunny wrote:

and I think it's hummerz

what, are you saying I'm the serial killer and there actually is no mafia? hmm!

also I hope diff fixed the editing... like overall, I had this issue earlier as well

Onjit

hummerz5 · 2017-08-09 02:46:04

AlphaJon wrote:

jkdrip wrote:
You all sound so delicious
BACK OFF, SCUM

but strawberry is red and true to the Late Good Senator McCarthy red things are bad. Naturally that means MAFIA

or something

hummerz5 · 2017-08-09 03:28:16

ah lemon

I can't read into that. Clear!

also, should we discuss the rules on clear voting? essentially the same questions posed to onjit

hummerz5 · 2017-08-09 14:26:47

guys before you get too far, I'm pretty sure a lot of the "pushes" were pretty darn sarcastic. I can't tell if you are echoing the sentiment but I mean EB for example was like the third post. Obviously he couldn't have meant anything substantial.

luka, you should, however, appreciate that we have 24h to lynch someone.

hummerz5 · 2017-08-09 22:32:06

^ I'm hurt (@jawapa)

hi guys, been driving all day. You're writing a lot. How much time do we have?

Devlin wrote:

hummerz5 - Their general attitude seems different to previous games so I'm saying meta as a role other than vanilla townie but realistically probably townie.

yeah, I was thinking the same about your posts as I read through but to be perfectly fair you're not normally under fire like this.

I was thinking Devlin was looking pretty suspect up until that whole "pls no" post but I guess I'm just a softie. Where are the votes at this point?

(somewhat @ proc) I feel like any reference to a townie card is pretty crappy all things considered. If they do change based on power roles or whatever, then that seems to shake things a bit. i.e., mafia could clear a few people as vanilla townie just by looking at who agrees or disagrees.

hummerz5 · 2017-08-09 22:39:05

it looks like

[1] Devlin - jkdrip
[1] MrJaWapa - AnatolyEE
[1] Evilbunny - Luka504
[1] Luka504 - Devlin
[1] slabdrill - ???

a wash. also maxi I'm probably wrong

the luka situation was pretty rocky. I think the hysterics were pretty genuine personally, but it's ultimately a town doctor claim that pretty much screws the town doctor. Frankly I would hate to see us lose the doctor but at the same time if he was lost to the night at least we wouldn't stay up wondering...

hummerz5 · 2017-08-09 22:43:38

slabdrill they have posted. At least once. ... did you read my post?

but diff if they are the doctor I mean better to replace themk

hummerz5 · 2017-08-09 22:44:11

and if replacing them only brought a person who got killed by the mafia then at least we didn't kill them ourselves

I guess

hummerz5 · 2017-08-09 22:48:24

yeah but lynching a person who doesn't want to play isn't the right reason. If nothing else, they're fodder that the mafia has to go through.

I could do a slabdrill vote... that would make three then...

hummerz5 · 2017-08-09 22:49:10

!vote slabdrill

won't ever happen but eh

hummerz5 · 2017-08-09 22:57:09

I'd like to think it's in mafia's best interest to go after anyone who claims doctor (to a reasonable extent)

whoever is doctor could make for an interesting play tonight

hummerz5 · 2017-08-11 00:07:22

so luka power role confirmed?

say luka wasn't the doctor. Would the 'real' doctor, assuming there is one, have motivation to step up? I suppose not because lynching a nobody is better than lynching a somebody.

BUT, I think the night would've played like this: luka self-heals (assuming that's usually possible) and then the mafia try to off him because that's reasonable. Does that mean luka and the mafia (or perhaps a serial killer but one would think that zero kills from two killers would be unlikely) play a game of chicken for the rest of the game?

I mean there's not much to go on there obviously but if it screws up the mafia I like it. However, if he attempts to hard?claim a vanilla role that seems dubious.

finally, I urge you quiet (useless?) people to contribute more. I mean yeah everyone here says that's not a reason to lynch, sure, but if you give us nothing to go on, all you're doing is sitting back :c

hummerz5 · 2017-08-11 00:42:56

MrJaWapa wrote:

If there is a real doctor, now is a good time to speak up.

pretty bad advice, mrjawapa. Should we look closer at why you said that? I mean if luka's an important role then we'd just as soon have them not dead. But a doctor should probably not really come forth because they're the defense.

Good point alphajon, but statistically I think it's most likely that mafia would have gone after luka and they were healed. Otherwise the roleblocker would have had to have picked the randomly correct mafioso. Is a jailer relatively common? I suppose someone might have attempted to diffuse the situation by offering that sort of protection. But, they should beware that action because if luka is a doctor then those two roles would cancel each other out. I'd rather have a usable jailer and dead doctor than both of them tied up indefinitely

very interesting.

mutantdevle, Different55, Slabdrill

hummerz5 · 2017-08-11 03:18:22

tbh mrjawapa has been rubbing me the wrong way... but anywho but don't copy paste an entire role pm word for word. - rules. I mean surely he wasn't trying to get someone DQ'd that way but still he did say "+role card" or whatever

I could go with the mrjawapa vote. does that make three?

hummerz5 · 2017-08-11 04:28:02

hey guys again can I motion to throw out any talk of role cards? one, it's bs. two, the role cards are probably formatted similarly. win conditions have parallels and copy & paste is easy. It's just as likely that the text was copy/pasted and key words changed.

Besides, giving the dictionary definition as we have makes confirmation by mafia trivial. Google word. Check definition. First to claim wins gold medal.

You guys see how this reasoning is annoying? I mean, I get that mafia leads us to snatch any sound logic we can, but this dabbling in role card specifics isn't sound or imo in the nature of the game.

tl;dr: no one should be "cleared" by the last word of a card

Harmonious, Different55, Onjit, TaskManager, mutantdevle

hummerz5 · 2017-08-11 04:29:21

and lest you condemn me for constantly going after mrjawapa

the crux of the argument applies to devlin's clearance as well

hummerz5 · 2017-08-11 06:02:58

1. Gosha - rip
2. MrJaWapa - might have a foot in his mouth, but did ask that good question about the devlin/whomever conversation.
3. hummerz5 - hi
4. Different55 - reasonable. I think his first "vouching" was town for mrjawapa, EB, and Devlin. Agreed a bit with mrjawapa but I don't want to do much harm because reasoning is just as likely to be purely reasoned. no ad hominem.
5. jkdrip - RNG isn't not caring. It's respecting that nothing realistically should happen d1 to incriminate because there's so little to discuss. We might still disagree on whether luka is genuinely hysteric (so use as meat shield) or playing us. But I guess disagreement shouldn't paint hard lines.
6. Slabdrill - not a whole lot. p quiet, but vocal via voting. As far as quiet goes, at least they aren't without pragmatism.
7. luka504 - Doctor fiasco, then not wanting to post. Could THIS guy be a jester? I mean that's probably a trite thing for me to say but his first post was literally "Im up for quiting this game" -- why would he join the game if he didn't want to play at the outset? He's pushing someone's buttons, surely. I guess if he's jester OR doctor he's still not a lynch target but a viable shield.
8. Evilbunny - seems pretty safe. I mean just about all he's said has seemed reasonable. He also had the first post. Though, I'm disappointed he didn't have proc in his list of non-talkers.
9. AlphaJon - "don't kill me n1" -- probably just a sentiment we all share. ... "Do it now then because I'll be the one to hammer if you go L-1" -- folks always say that it's the mafia to hammer. But to be fair at this point we had 50 minutes. " (It also ends in eliminated)" -- another example that key card words are common. I find him ultimately believable.
10. Onjit - playing awfully quiet. His ten posts were d1 funposting (forgiveable for sure) and a good question. Would like to hear more insight. Perhaps, having run a game here, I think he could share some thoughts on what structure this game might have.
11. AnatolyEE - feels like genuine newb townie. odd but sometimes not going with the flow is good, right? contrasting
12. Devlin - it's getting late and I don't feel like re-reading his literature. When I read it, it felt believable. Though again the key word claims are moot. I'll try and re-read sometime to do you the justice of a good read.
13. Processor - terribly quiet. not a fan at all. The whole idea about exploiting role cards was from this guy. I hope we see how useless it is. he's probably just busy but I mean except for our banned player he's got the least contribution.

leaning:
town
diff
devlin
anatolyee
alphajon

neutral
jkdrip
slabdrill
luka504
gosha
Evilbunny
onjit

mafia
mrjawapa
processor (if nothing else, so you talk more pls)

RE alphajon claim:
Further, the logic behind his claim is ****-for-tat. If it was false, it'd fire directly back on him anyway. Not a good claim for mafia to make. I say we take the wager and give him benefit of the doubt for claiming first.

RE EB's list:
Yeah those I can't argue against. I really just don't like putting people on the mafia list all that often. I mean that's reserved for like... potentially voting and such.

tl;dr: I wrote something at midnight in hopes of furthering the game. If I don't make sense, occupational hazard.

hummerz5 · 2017-08-11 13:35:20

Onjit wrote:

As for what the setup is, to answer Hummerz's question

very much appreciated. So you're saying a vig might very well have waited on n1 so they aren't hunted down? Is that good strategy? also thanks for posting

mr proc where art thou

I think there's a third possibility in the mrjawapa/alphajon gambit but it seems unlikely.

Devlin wrote:

If Jawapa is Mafia then I think we should look into Diff since they have a slight connection through their constant agreement but other than that idk.

this is a good point. I noticed that as well. It's loose but there.

hummerz5 · 2017-08-11 19:09:43

one potential good reason for not taking all 72 hours is to strike while the iron's hot

the facts won't change, but people might cool down I guess...

anyhow hey proc welcome back I guess bye then

Harmonious, mutantdevle

hummerz5 · 2017-08-11 23:39:50

gosha pls just check maxi's posts. Aug 13 22:00 UTC

so just looking through some statements from some folk since the Alphajon v. MrJawapa case started

actual votes: AlphaJon, jkdrip, devlin, luka504

intent: hummerz5 (was concerned about leftover time). Slabdrill (was considering?) onjit (didn't want to risk a hammer position).

Evilbunny voted, redacted

gosha slightly defended

otherwise I don't see a whole lot of folks. I think I'm confident enough in how we've discussed and examined the situation to vote

!vote mrjawapa

hummerz5 · 2017-08-12 17:15:24

Different55 wrote:

But it doesn't have it as the last word. If JaWapa had a maf rolecard like Anatoly's then it'd be extremely risky for him to go and try to guess a totally different word was the last one of every citizen's card. Unless he's a maf investigator or something which doesn't seem likely.

But Devlin was the one that gave the definition. Simply searching the words on a whim would return the exact match. Onjit mentioned the possibility of a "maf investigator" -- someone else mentioned the possibility of day chat. Either way, whoever the investigator is might have shared the card info

I concede luka is suspicious but idk if I see them fake claiming from the start. Then again, I might wrongly assume that a lot of us folk don't have major background strategies. Based on that assumption, most often claims would be made until someone at the end of the line couldn't keep the story going.

I'm not a huge fan of alphajon backing off so I'd like to hear his/your thoughts but my "read" on mrjawapa is still sour. there's a lot of literature to read so please excuse my sluggishness

hummerz5 · 2017-08-12 22:46:51

Different55 wrote:

JaWapa gave information that only a citizen would have access to. You have nothing to counter that. He's town too, more so than Luka but you're ready to lynch him over anyone else because we have a mere 24 hours. That's plenty of time for everyone to jump ship to someone else.

stop saying this

please stop

you are wrong. Devlin offered the definition explicitly through a search engine. If a mafioso wanted to try their hand at replicating the word, all they had to do is brute force any good candidates to find the right one. It's no stroke of genius to try words from a mafia card to see what fits! This finding isn't incriminating but if you give any weight to the secondary claim on the word you are mistaken.

Different55

hummerz5 · 2017-08-12 23:01:45

Evilbunny wrote:

He just wouldn't draw attention to himself and anatoly if he thought anatoly was going to be mod killed. That doesn't make sense.

can we verify something here? Devlin seems to agree with this but in these 20+ pages I don't know exactly what mrjawapa and anatoly did. If mrj was defending then yes that'd look bad. If mafia thought one of their own was going to be forcibly revealed they could capitalize on that fact and try to look good with an accusation. one-man busing, perhaps

Different55 wrote:

I don't agree with your Pt 1 (you haven't brought up anything scummy so far) and both 2 and 3 fall victim to "you could swap out JaWapa for literally anyone else and get the same conclusion"

no, you can only swap out anyone who made a perhaps too-visible attack on Anatoly. not "literally anyone else". Really, we could go for any attack. There's no good reason for mafia to have established good relations with that individual unless they were under fire.

also guys we're talking so damn much about nothing changing.

Harmonious, mutantdevle

hummerz5 · 2017-08-12 23:20:43

I guess I really don't know anymore. And I wonder what the votes are looking like. the long and short of it is that there are a few conditions that lead to suspecting mrjawapa. We've spent many pages outlining them. Depending on these conditions luka might also be implicated. Or perhaps devlin for pushing so hard. Or maybe me. Or maybe alphajon for claiming and accusing. Either way, I guess at the risk of sounding like a bandwagoner, we need to agree on something indicative in 24h.

Arguably we have SOMETHING in these accusations. Someone is tied wrongly. Perhaps slabdrill is a good target for being quiet. However, that's not solving the problem here. We'll just be putting off this problem even further.

Evilbunny wrote:

Actually scratch off jkdrip so I'm down to
Gosha
Slabdrill
Onjit
Anatoly
I think I might just be too trusting because all those people haven't posted much and that's my only reason to not clear them lol.

did you ever mention why proc wasn't on the list? either way, he's still suspect to me with the lot.

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