Mafia 12

Onjit · 2017-07-22 23:45:23

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hummerz5 · 2017-07-23 00:26:48

lighthearted jests abound and all that but can we at least not bother with the one-word responses or the like pretending this is discord

I mean yes this is a forum game and all that but ffs filtering through that crap on discord was bad enough, we don't need that forum-sized. if that makes sense

hey game theory people! Is there any good in preventing a lynch d1? Or does that just save us the trouble of whining about it

is there a possible role that requires no d1 lynch or has some dynamic in that nature

hummerz5 · 2017-07-23 03:32:54

Bimps wrote:

noted

pls don't say "noted" every three posts. mafia notwithstanding that is aggravating and empty. woot if you must.

n1kf you're pushing for no apparent reason day one. if anything you're trying too hard... suspicious! :3

hummerz5 · 2017-07-23 17:05:31

Hi, I'm not a huge fan of proc's random blatant push, clearly calls attention to him so what good does that do. I mean sure, gosha might look like a good pick but this is just suspicious. bruce?

Rhazbash not reading rolecard, that's exciting. Pretty useless tho

Zumza! Jumping toward others so fast, we do have ~<8 hours left.

I'd vote rhazbash or smittyw just to point fingers at the joke posts, but A) that won't go anywhere and B) it's d1 so customarily there are some joke posts

!vote zumza

hummerz5 · 2017-07-23 17:08:06

in the spirit of not editing, I should clarify

Someone will inevitably come back and say I was defending gosha and he turns how he may. I'm not defending gosha insofar as I'm wary of processor. That does, however, manifest the same.

hummerz5 · 2017-07-23 17:21:36

Processor wrote:

I'm not a fan of you preferring a useless lynch over a decent one. I do not see how lynching Zumza is any better that Gosha.

where did you lay out your argument again? All I see is you cajoling everyone to vote gosha with little discussion. I don't disagree that he might be a better pick. However, I just can't agree with your motivation for it.

Zumza, I'm contrasting your argument, not saying that you defied your argument. In other words, you say not to act quickly. I'm saying the time period is over halfway.

hummerz5 · 2017-07-23 17:25:17

maxi123 wrote:

If Gosha flips town however, we will have to look more into Proc's agressive play.

oh yeah. I guess I didn't think that far. If I've raised a big enough stink about proc then I could go along with the bandwagon with that sentiment in play

maxi123 wrote:

Could we have a vote count please?

I think he's asleep :x

hummerz5 · 2017-07-23 18:35:36

ok I'll bite

!vote gosha

hummerz5 · 2017-07-23 18:42:50

dammit I don't do the extensive writeups and technically I can't edit

so short version: I agree with maxi's above post but I guess we've created a strong rift between two folk. My biggest worry is that gosha/proc turn out to be some dynamic unexpected duo that's beyond the standard Mafia/Town standoff. As if one of these is a jester. That would suck.

if someone knows of a jester-like role they should share. otherwise I guess I'm just jumping on a different bandwagon.

I think this bandwagon is slightly different compared to the zumza one because here we have someone to answer for things anyhow

hummerz5 · 2017-07-23 19:07:53

Different55 wrote:

We'd all write it off as "eh, made a bad choice" and they just get a guaranteed free kill with no risk to themselves.

if I challenge that, are we all on the same page? I suggest we don't follow that idea. If the choice backfires we roast the originator. The difference I see is that you envision something much quieter. This was rather loud.

hummerz5 · 2017-07-23 21:11:15

hey does anyone know how many votes that is?

might warrant a lock?

hummerz5 · 2017-07-23 21:15:23

gosha: proc, devlin, smittyw, maxi123, hummerz5, kira, bimps, n1kf

unless someone proves me wrong we should stop talking per the rules

Processor, mrjawapa, N1KF, mutantdevle

hummerz5 · 2017-07-25 04:25:07

should be a short post

I think it apparent that processor was the main character in attacking Gosha. Someone mentioned maxi criticizing his pushes. I'd like to think I criticized him some myself.

I voted gosha with the knowledge (or is that blindness) that processor was signing his fate over for when Gosha flipped town. Again my only concern is if processor turns out to be some Jester, or perhaps a jester that only wins on even lynch days. Yet, I think that too paranoid.

!vote Processor

hummerz5 · 2017-07-25 05:25:23

N1KF wrote:

He thought I was pushing too hard.

well I was semi-sarcastic.

smitty and bimps do appear to be in some relation (good or bad idk)

yeah

hummerz5 · 2017-07-25 05:25:46

oops double post. ^ I meant not between the two but with proc. Sorry

hummerz5 · 2017-07-25 06:09:58

I should clean out my vote per the not hammering thing as we have 72h.

To avoid beating a dead horse. Zumza are you talking to n1kf or me or everyone?
!nolynch

hummerz5 · 2017-07-25 15:21:20

So the complaints about me seem to be me being cautious and my push on processor. Fair enough.

@Proc: I want to hold you accountable because that push was inordinate. Instead of saying "we need to lynch someone" you said "we need to lynch gosha" which loses a lot of merit on your behalf.

I found proc suspicious because of this lack of tact. Obviously proc would be wiser than to go around and repeatedly angle towards one person. So, I'm lead to believe he had some other agenda besides simply lynching someone. He was much too transparent.

and hey you accuse me of just following the bandwagon? No, I'm not jumping with "lynch proc" because other people are. I said before that I wanted to lynch proc if Gosha fell through. I'm simply carrying through on my idea. That's not overzealous, that's just believing he betrayed some level of trust by falsely pushing so hard.

sorry I can't be more in-depth and look at others. I can save you time by looking after my own affairs but I g2g so thanks bye

Zumza

hummerz5 · 2017-07-26 05:56:23

I don't have time for this but let me read everyone and offer my weird perceptions. I'll try to be succinct

hummerz5 - broski why am I on the top of the list now? was I early to sign up?
processor - thanks for "lynch d1" but at the same time we did steer that right into the wrong person so I mean idk. Sarcastically? claims that there is definitely a neutral role. "Powerless" claim. Then like nine+ requests oriented towards gosha. I can't read very well beyond what I've already declared so. Devlin makes a good point about him being jester (did I not say this as well). I hate that I'm in a WIFOM (thanks Creature) at this point. His blatant push is too obvious. I can't tell if he's jester and wanting a lynch or not jester and just wanting end-of-game protection. Would mafia actually have a reason to lynch him if he claims jester?
smittyw - His vote on gosha seemed sarcastic but it was never pulled. A bit too quiet imo but looking a little.
devlin - Seems reasonable. I can echo the "writing too much to not be town" but anyhow just agreeable with reasoning. No shortage of literature
different55 - I like the RNG and defense of it. D1 we didn't have much to work with.
n1kf - I can't help but like the general inquisitiveness. Asking proper questions and such. I concede that I probably like n1kf in part because of our similar thinking.
jawapa - awfully quiet but was banned :x
bimps - I can't get anything from bimps. His general posting style ingame or not is to make a post and say just about nothing. He's oscillated between n1kf and gosha, protecting proc with no good reason. Pretty standoffish.
zumza - dunno. Seems inquisitive enough and I can appreciate that.
rhazzlefrazzle - just incredibly quiet. Yes everyone says "hey don't condemn the quiet ones because they could be good" but he also doesn't do much scummy stuff
kira - in the paraphrased words of proc, kira is showing to be on bandwagons. But I know at the same time that perhaps the votes are simply legit.

slightest bit maf: rhazzle, kira, bimps, smitty
no clue: zumza, diff, jawapa, proc
slightest town: n1kf, devlin

voted gosha, so they don't look perfect: kira, bimps, smitty, zumza, proc, n1kf, devlin, hummerz
gosha [Citizen] - lynched D1 - sorry we didn't listen well to you. but then again maybe a bit more next time idk. I'm not a pro here
maxi123 [Rolecop] - killed N1 - noooooo thank you for your service and did mafia get lucky or is there significance in your nightkill? Did it serve some purpose? I would almost wonder if your being killed was to frame proc.

If proc is simply a Jester, and we can conclude that, then I wonder if the combined knowledge of the mafia came to that conclusion as well. If that's the case, would they try to get us to lynch proc?

please excuse my inept reads

my votes: I'm too confused about proc to keep pushing him but at the same time I'm not backing him. Naturally I'm down for any argument but I really don't know. Just want to offer this break in silence

Zumza, mutantdevle

hummerz5 · 2017-07-26 13:53:44

onjit I thought I unvoted

also, does gosha's role suggest there is a cult or something? what might change a role?

thanks no time bye

hummerz5 · 2017-07-27 05:28:48

sorry I've spent all my time here just wandering around on forum-related discussion

I would like someone to explain to me (in the spirit of township) what the role-changing system most likely means. Could it be a cult? If we ignore this it'll probably screw us over yeah?

And to whomever said my reads were ****: hey thanks for that! I can't see it good to sway opinion one way or the other if I can't reason it.

hummerz5 · 2017-07-27 05:38:21

sorry this is probably my last post before the deadline so, I'm going with the person most actively suspicious to me. You're all welcome to do something else obviously. Also, before you say "wow hz5 was really pushing proc" -- I already declared this opinion earlier. I simply didn't want that fabled hammer thanks

!vote processor

hummerz5 · 2017-07-29 18:54:46

Zumza wrote:

and we also know that some players can legacy their role to others.

sorry, I completely glossed over that fact. I wanted to pin some idea on what Proc's actual goals would be and my imagination ran away. Also, @proc/zumza: mistaking the legacy system or however roles are volatile doesn't reveal I'm not citizen. If anything it's the opposite: as you see from Gosha's rolecard, there's no explanation about legacy systems. So yes my lack of realization was slightly senseless in that I didn't fully read maxi's card through.

Devlin all your points collected together show that proc alluded to a role that fits your understanding of the executioner. Why wouldn't he roleclaim at this point? Might mafia or we lynch him to prevent the win? I would think he'd be better off just making it all clear. Otherwise this is just him trying to make a claim without definitive motion. I think the goal there is to make people think it's more likely because it wasn't said explicitly. But that would seem to me a cheap trick

you guys are too kind.

jawapa, I like the executioner idea too. I suggest this: the fact that proc alluded to being executioner before actually completing the lynch wagon thing is a good sign. Not a guarantee, but at least that claim wasn't entirely reactive. Does his purported alignment suggest how we should treat his input? At the most basic sense we know his claims then wouldn't be as concerning to him. What does he have to lose? Honestly, someone reason me out of this idea here: I feel that as a claimed third party we should ignore strong pushes from proc hereinafter. He has no reason to claim any strong beliefs outside of gosha. Anything more suggests that he's actually mafia or some other role that still wants to sabotage town. Main problem with this philosophy is that he would be guaranteed safety if he doesn't make waves.

in closing, I re-read all the posts to get feels again and if someone wants reads I guess I can try. I guess I'm still a noob in the way that I don't like quiet players. Rhaz/smitty for example. Then again, maybe I'm a quiet player. If we look at the unhelpful voting, we have zumza, smitty, and proc making the most "mistakes." Reasons to not pay attention to that: devlin also had two errant votes and was murdered. It would be advantageous to mafia, if they were paying attention to their voting wagons, to keep that sort of suspicion going. Therefore, whoever suggested that (proc's?) wagon was a failed mafia attempt could be on to something--they probably aren't on the "winning" vote roster or they'd be keen to not go that route. That ties in with proc when considering that proc's claimed role would be an OK lynch for mafia. Finally, contrarily, proc is still awfully suspicious so it would be an easy lynch for mafia or a seemingly good choice for the discerning? townie. In short, I'm just saying what we already know: I'd think mafia to be somewhere in the gray.

tl;dr: I reluctantly (seriously) consider if proc is executioner and I still dislike quiet people. oh and I hope that legacy system comes in handy for us, so please think ahead if that applies to you thanks

mrjawapa

hummerz5 · 2017-07-29 18:57:28

Processor wrote:

Agreed. The more I think about it, hummerz and n1kf feel very town to me.

can you explain some points on that? I mean earlier you were saying at least one of us was scum so

hummerz5 · 2017-07-29 22:45:50

SmittyW wrote:

You voted Gosha and said he could've tried better. You said kira's votes seem legit but called him maf. THEN you suddenly appear and vote proc at the end of D2 with hardly an explanation, even though he's listed under "no clue."

SmittyW wrote:

You got on the bandwagon because you made a "promise" to lynch him for his D1 mistake, but you're a huge hypocrite for condemning Gosha yourself.

You could probably do me a favor and check the issues you bring up that cancel each other out. "hardly an explanation" followed by "you made a 'promise' to lynch him"

SmittyW wrote:

You keep giving us flak about how we voted "wrong"

No, sir, I pointed out that while that IS interesting, it's likely not a useful thing to look at. I won't bother rehashing what I literally just said up the page. But no. I don't.

SmittyW wrote:

So you thought Gosha and Kira were good?

No, again looking at the vote count, even if I claim proc's insisting to take precedence, I don't have a perfect record either.

SmittyW wrote:

You voted Gosha and said he could've tried better. You said kira's votes seem legit but called him maf.

RE Gosha: yes, he didn't spend time defending himself. What are you misconstruing about that? No, I said that accusing someone of only being on a bandwagon would be hypocritical because I, too, appeared to vote purely on bandwagon. Again, what do you think "legit" means that goes beyond this point I make?

SmittyW wrote:

THEN you suddenly appear and vote proc at the end of D2 with hardly an explanation, even though he's listed under "no clue."

if you want to keep twisting words, it's quite apparent I planned on voting proc. Yes I didn't know what he was up to, but even without a good read I still knew he was acting suspiciously.

SmittyW wrote:

huge hypocrite for condemning Gosha yourself.

Hey speaking of hypocrisy... "HEY LYNCH D1" came at the end of you saying my actions to agree on a lynch at the excessive request of proc. I suppose we could have adopted a rule to avoid anything that looks like bandwagon? But where do you draw the line between bandwagon and actually getting enough votes to end the day?

I honestly can't see where you're getting these misunderstandings; they feel forced. Regardless, if you want to fire back solid reasoning I'm all ears.

all: I pretty much have this bit of text to explain the situation raised by proc/zumza. IIRC as processor suggests it's beneficial to town to not claim. I guess if we have enough people jump on the hummerz5wagon then I'll naturally volunteer the information. I'd also appreciate it if this agreement was conveyed not through the vote system so I can actually post the info before I'm lynched <3

hummerz5 · 2017-07-29 22:47:46

"edit" -- I guess this might be micromanaging on my part but if two more folk think along lynch-hum lines then yeah.

come to think of it, chunking my post seems kinda silly at this point but atm it's all I have

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