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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Eh, I'm inclined to think Onjit as being scum. At least moreso than Cali. Here's hoping.

!vote Onjit

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Votecount 3.6 [FINAL]

[4] Onjit - Calicara, maxi123, AlphaJon, Kaslai
[2] Calicara - RhazzleFrazzle, Onjit
[0] maxi123
[0] Pyromaniac's slot
[0] Anak
[0] AlphaJon
[0] Kaslai
[0] RhazzleFrazzle

[0] No lynch
[2] Not voting: Anak, Pyromaniac.

Onjit will be lynched!

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Town reunited to take Onjit off. They knew that if they were wrong, it would be their end.

The town strongly tied Onjit's neck and had Kaslai push the lever. Was it another one down? Or town made their fatal mistake? Onjit dropped a knife, but it didn't look made to kill, soon town realised what they did. Onjit was just a Doctor after all.

night 1 i protected calicara
night 2 i protected rhaz
night 3 i protected rhaz

my guess is pyro ninja alphajon

Soon town realised who was mafia, but it was too late, they already made their kill.

maxi123 pulls up his gun and aims at Kaslai, but is shot before he could pull the trigger. His intention wasn't evil, his attentioned seemed coming from a Veteran.

The shot came from the town's only lady, Calicara. She quickly shoot down Anak and Pyromaniac, both were just poor Citizens.

There was now only one town left, RhazzleFrazzle, the Sheriff.

"I knew! I knew it was you..." The sheriff shouts.

"Your time has come" Calicara replies.

RhazzleFrazzle tried to run, but was pushed back by a strange force used by AlphaJon, the Witch. He was dragged to the gallow, where Onjit was hanging. However, he was tied to the pole and a bunch of wood were thrown at his bottom.

"Goodbye, Rhazz!" Kaslai says before setting RhazzleFrazzle on fire.

It was over.

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Since there's no way to mafia not outnumber town tonight without being completely stupid. I am calling this a Mafia Win.

Winners:
Ninja, the Consigliere
Calicara, the Janitor
Kaslai, the Blackmailer
AlphaJon, the Witch

Losers:
RhazzleFrazzle, the Sheriff
W24, the Bodyguard
maxi123, the Veteran
SmittyW, the Lookout
Onjit, the Doctor
Processor, the Citizen
Pyromaniac, the Citizen
Unau, the Citizen
Anak, the Citizen

Night Actions:

N1 Night Actions:

RhazzleFrazzle investigates W24
W24 protects Unau
maxi123 doesn't alert
SmittyW watches maxi123
Onjit heals Calicara

Ninja investigates Anak
Calicara kills Processor
!nb4/Kaslai tracks Processor

AlphaJon controls Processor to SmittyW

N2 Night Actions:

RhazzleFrazzle investigates Ninja
W24 protects Pyromaniac
maxi123 doesn't alert
SmittyW watches Anak
Onjit heals RhazzleFrazzle

Ninja investigates Pyromaniac
Calicara kills SmittyW
!nb4 tracks nobody

AlphaJon controls Ninja to Ninja

N3 Night Actions:

RhazzleFrazzle investigates AlphaJon
W24 protects RhazzleFrazzle
maxi123 alerts
Onjit heals RhazzleFrazzle

Ninja investigates maxi123
Calicara kills W24
Kaslai tracks AlphaJon

AlphaJon controls W24 into Kaslai

Mafia Chat
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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Rants and review incoming.

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

So Kaslai was the blackmailer! I got your message, hope you got mine.
That would've been such an interesting game had it gone on.
I'll post more in a bit

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Oh, here are my reads which I was literally just about to post but then majority was reached. r00d

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Here come my reads:

▼AlphaJon

Contributing to the no posts joke, moreso than others, but than is actually a bit serious about it which I suppose I understand. Initially disagrees with voting Unau. Doesn't attritbute Ninja's inactivity to scuminess, doesn't post theory on Unau, with explanation. (Imo posting ideas should be done first to see what we can gather, but oh well) Policy votes Unau, no matter his role (understandable) notices Unau's inability to claim properly. His theory, when finally posted, is actually quite an interesting one to make, but obviously incorrect by the end.
Notes Rhazh's aggressiveness, however knows it's his, uh, playstyle. Notes that mafia would post more due to "lurkers = mafia" "Never let your guard down" assumably responding to maxi's hypothesis? Brushes off inactivity request, as well as Rhazh's vote, and after properly suspects him. "Not cool to talk about yourself like that." was obvious sarcasm. Then votes Rhazh, bc too aggressive and lynching multiple people. I like how he posts possibilities for what role he could be. Not sure why he asked why to wait for claiming. Why would one claim sheriff right away? Unvotes. Mentions framing, of Ninja, wants to hear from him. Votes Rhazh again based on waiting to claim?? Understandably salty from being voted, but still. Considers random sheriff unlikely (but couldn't lookout have been random?) Apparently not in retaliation, but I meant he would view him suspiciously bc of that. Suspects Ninja also.
Now trusts Rhazh bc Ninja, recaps night. Mafia didn't kill Rhazh bc protection. Wants Rhazh explanation on Kaslai vote, explained inactivity, nolynches due to lack of read. Questions blackmailer message, accuses me but subtley. (I still don't get why no followup = mafia?)
Reads/summary, most people seem to be unsure of.

▼Calicara

Smitty's joke is obvious, Rhazh is aggressive, but shouldn't look into things (agreeably) Maxi overly defensive (same reason as last games?) Ninja not scummy, but busy, wants to hear from him. Swap Unau instead of lynch, prods lurkers, then votes Unau, trusting Rhazh, not much after that.
Agrees with Ninja on Rhazh, pairs with Maxi? (consistent) However, stresses that we should take time to work things out. Prodding lurkers again. W24=Hostage, lurkers hiding something? Pressures Rhazh. Reads! Favours Rhazh, eager and lacks evidence. Ninja, hasty. Still suspecting Maxi. Uncertain. Very pressuring on Rhazh, understandably so. Now believes Rhazh, but reluctantly(?), prods Ninja. Nolynch.
Rhazh confirmed, wants to hear from Onjit and Pyro. Understandably confused by my post, pressuring me for explanation. Doubts Rhazh's tactics, questions Kaslai reading
More reads! Wants Rhazh to calm down, suspects me, Maxi now town, most either town or unsure. Defensive. Can't waste day. Votes me (which I thought a reach) Forgot about blackmailer. I mistakenly made one post, so I can't blame her. A bit overly defensive? Nolynches. Voting should be based on your reads, with hard evidence if you have any. Votes Onjit, hardclaims. Her behaviour has changed quite quickly, and differently. Was rather neutral and helpful, then very defensive when suspicion fell on her, now confused? I'm confused.

▼Kaslai

!nb4 may be mafia aligned; his lack of posts and "I'm only reading the comments" thing didn't sit well with me, but there's literally nothing get from him, so...
W24 scumlogic, idk what to make of that comment. Not many posts, mainly jokes at this point. Could be a bit more active, but thrown into the game isn't the best, so it's somewhat understandable. AlphaJon not scum, Rhazh suspicious but not sure, unsure of Ninja, more suspicious of Maxi. Made a mistake reading? Rhazh's claim singles him and Ninja out. (Doubles?) Nolynch, leaning on Ninja. Rhazh confirmed. Curious on reading, but not too bothered? Weariness comment confuses me... Calicara town. Suspects AlphaJon and Maxi(?)
Reads! Odds. Rhazh never seemed to indicate he investigated Kaslai, so I'm not sure about his theory, but it's possible, since Rhazh doesn't disclose info. "Scumometer" could be better defined. I'm rather low? I really don't get the fake blackmail thing. Really suspects AlphaJon, but I don't see how he is constantly changing alignment?

▼maxi123

Unsure about nopostjoke. Considerable blackmailer theory. Rather silent? Pushes Ninja. I felt that vote was a bit obvious due to the circumstances, but without explanation, understandable push. Rhazh not aggressive, swap Unau. Pressure votes Ninja (not one to normally pressure vote, so I'm noting this) Unvotes. Reiterates Ninja suspicion. Strongly against Unau lynch. Wants to know about Ninja's witching. Justifies Rhazh following, don't rush. Brushes off Rhazh's aggressiveness, not pushing lurkers. Hypothesis Rhazh is mafia and opportunity lynched Unau. Rhazh now scummy. Pushes Rhazh on AlphaJon and others. Still not as active as others. Not so defensive so far, contrary to opinions. Votes Rhazh, albeit quite quickly after hardclaim. Still, not the best idea. Rather lax, can lynch the other if wrong? Not the best way to go. Unvotes, votes Ninja. 50/50 Rhazh Ninja, believes Rhazh, justifies quick vote change.
Misunderstood bodyguards role (not relevant tho) Prods lurkers (finally) Agrees with Rhazh (Again) on Kaslai, but not pushing anything. Nothing to say. I'm not suspicious, but not out of the question. (Kind of a given without a hardclaim) He WAS against the Unau vote, and did confront somewhat, however still iffy about that.
Reads! Onjit suspect, questions blackmail message, pushes Calicara, suspect, Mixes up Pyro with Kaslai (honest mistake), AlphaJon inno, Kaslai bigger suspect. Onjit vote, why? Wasn't the biggest suspect.

▼Onjit

Jokester. Agrees with me on blackmail message being, well, a bit useless. Votes Unau. Rather lurkerish (Australian though) Instead swaps Unau, but hasn't unvoted. Swap !nb4. Never suspected Unau, notes Rhazh pushed for mislynch.
Doesn't exactly condone Rhazh's vote on AlphaJon. Nice diagram. Agrees to nolynch. Notes Rhazh not targetted, doesn't suspect. Questioning Kaslai hunch.
Maths! Nolynch considerable. Brings up my blackmail message. Mentions an OR, but he usually covers things. Suspects Kaslai, Maxi, Calicara and AlphaJon.
Reads! Jokesy. Consistent. Could do with more explanation. Votes Calicara, she's witch? Consistent but somewhat sudden. Somewhat attacking, but not without reason.

▼Pyromaniac

Although being replaced, he has enough posts to base something off of, so will be read.
Lack of posts is justified and explained multiple times, so I won't look at that.
Reads! Summarising from time he was gone. Slight suspicion on Rhazh but not really. Calicara not suspicious, neither is anyone else. Curious theory.
Doesn't like Rhazh's playstyle (consistent) Rather defensive/offendedish, but also consistent with playstyle. Pushing Rhazh despite lack of suspicion (haven't we all though) I'm not sure about the bad at scum reading thing, but again, I don't suspect.
I'm going to keep an eye on whoever replaces him. As I've said in a previous game, having a role played by two people is very useful to us.

▼RhazzleFrazzle

Rhazh is confirmed sheriff, I have no doubt about that. I will however read him somewhat, just to look for connections.
Pushes for Ninja without much time into D2. Agrees with me on blackmail. Pressure votes Unau, unvotes. Leaning towards Ninja. Revotes. Imo should've asked about roleblocking earlier. Votes Ninja. W24 VI. Everyone is active enough? Enough to read, I assume? I still absolutely abhor that reaction test. I don't think there has to be a correlation between accusing voting someone and also accusing them yourself imo. Bossy vote on Ninja. Outright says he got a result on Ninja, which is also why I doubt he was hard evidence on anyone right now from his investigations (to be mafia, I mean). He got a mafia result on Ninja quite early. I can't remember what I was going to say about that lmao sorry. Doubts Maxi. Nolynch. "Protect me for a free win" isn't wholy unfounded tbh.
I agree with him keeping it in his will, I think someone disagreed but I don't know why. It's sound to me. Now, he says that he isn't completely confirmed, and that he could be still mafia. That's curious, but I think he's sheriff. Someone would have claimed by now. Is Kaslai vote based on hard evidence pushing? I agree with him not outting his confirmed townies. Aggressive as usual but yknow. I would really like to know why he suspects me, Calicara, and Kaslai! This is where it is implied he lacks hard evidence. Mafia is definitely about inference though, so I can't completely debunk him there, but the language he used was as if he was unofficially confirming us. Kaslai was already suspected, but me and Calicara weren't. He's pushing on Kaslai though. Hasn't really mentioned me again, just Kaslai and Calicara. Then votes Calicara, based on the fact she isn't voting. Understandable basis, but idk. (My idk is a bit unexplainable though, so irrelevant) Pushing for a vote, nothing abnormal. It's true, he never said he suspected AlphaJon. He did say his vote was just a reaction test, so it was unfounded. Idk why people are asking explanation when that was it really. (Have I just contradicted myself? I can't remember)

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

I'll admit I slipped up near the end. I shouldn't have voted you Anak (honest to goodness I forgot about the blackmailing we did though).

I'm glad we found Alpha near the end though, it was obvious he was turning a blind eye toward the sheriff.

I think I could've played much better, but considering its my first game I didn't die before the end I'm pretty happy about that.

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

I guess you can think of me like Kira from deathnote heh. Too self assured and too obviously aligned with an evil force.

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

oh wow OH WOW

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

I'll admit I slipped up near the end. I shouldn't have voted you Anak (honest to goodness I forgot about the blackmailing we did though).

I'm glad we found Alpha near the end though, it was obvious he was turning a blind eye toward the sheriff.

I think I could've played much better, but considering its my first game I didn't die before the end I'm pretty happy about that.

I think you definitely slipped up at the end, changing your attitude quite a lot. I definitely suspected you and Kaslai, but not AlphaJon at all!

I just looked at the actions, and I'm confused.
N1 I got a blackmail message: "We are watching you"

Then on N3 I got this: "are you the witch? i think you might be, so if you are please say "i hope the mafia hasnt started collaborating with the witch, becaus we will lose then"

ill be talking you you later."

But Ninja already investigated me, and nothing was changed about that. Did you just disregard that, or were you trying to mess with me?

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

I'm genuinely surprised my Scum-o-meter worked to confuse the votes as well as it did, and we only just realized who the witch probably was at the start of day 4.

With Maxi's vote though, we were able to get the quick hammer on Onjit, who we figured was a protective, and with AlphaJon's just-in-time cooperation, we were able to secure the victory. In a situation like this, you need to be really careful with your votes. I was considering busing Cali and voting for her, but then I realized how awful a mistake that probably was.

It sucked being foisted into a mafia role partway through a game for my first game, but we managed somehow.

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Anak we were going for a play that didn't quite work. We were trying to copy maxis style of handwriting in order to get you to suspect him. Clearly it didn't work. It was an experimental play, and we didn't have much to lose.

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Did you just disregard that, or were you trying to mess with me?

We were trying to mess with you. I was seriously considering implicating myself as mafia to encourage you to not vote for me (assuming you thought we thought you were the witch)

It would have been a WIFOM attempt to get you to think I was actually a target marked for death by the mafia, and then subsequently you'd then lobby to save me from the gallows.

Instead I somehow managed to derail the Kas-wagon myself.

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Anak we were going for a play that didn't quite work. We were trying to copy maxis style of handwriting in order to get you to suspect him. Clearly it didn't work. It was an experimental play, and we didn't have much to lose.

Oh lmao! I suspected Maxi for other reasons, but you did do well on that somewhat.

Did you just disregard that, or were you trying to mess with me?

We were trying to mess with you. I was seriously considering implicating myself as mafia to encourage you to not vote for me (assuming you thought we thought you were the witch)

It would have been a WIFOM attempt to get you to think I was actually a target marked for death by the mafia, and then subsequently you'd then lobby to save me from the gallows.

Instead I somehow managed to derail the Kas-wagon myself.

If you had, I probably would've just voted you and outed the whole message. I was willing to sacrifice myself for the sake of throwing you off, but had there been any specific mentions, that would've been just as good.

Aw, I was hoping it was genuine! Oh well.

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Anak we were going for a play that didn't quite work. We were trying to copy maxis style of handwriting in order to get you to suspect him. Clearly it didn't work. It was an experimental play, and we didn't have much to lose.

Why me ;(
You failed tho i barely talk like that

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

I'll tell you something: being the witch is hard: You're all by yourself. Town is against you. The mafia doesn't know you, so they can also kill you unknowingly. (Well, at least the only protection I had)

I couldn't interact with them in any way until late D4, literally around 2 hours before the end of the day, when Kaslai FINALLY messaged me.

The night action is essentially a roleblock+possible random action, which can get you killed by Veteran, should you go on him, in the same way as anyone else, regardless of the shield.

My parade until mid-D3 was simple: I would act as a real townie, look for mafia as if I really wanted them dead. Except for the Rhaz part. He was too controlling to be trusted easily, and I played on that.
Somewhat later I find out people start reading me as scum, and don't ask me why, but I immediately imagined Rhaz coming back at me. And there I didn't dare to post as often as before, because a misplaced character in an otherwise regular text can get you out in mafia. (Calicara got reads from other players go from towy to scummy progressively as she slipped, it would have been a matter of time before she gets lynched.)

About the blackmail messages: you really had to wait till the very end to contact me, huh?
I thought about kaslai being the one behind it, but what made me think it was Anak who sent me the message is the fact that Kaslai wasn't in the logged in users list when I received the PM, while Anak was on. Guess you can't even trust the forums themselves in mafia

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Kaslai wasn't in the logged in users list when I received the PM

That's because the messages are sent via out-of-forum means, proxied through the host.

The reason I waited so long to contact you was because I wanted to be as sure as possible that you were the witch. I didn't want to reveal any cards unnecessarily. Sorry for leaving you all alone

Also, I had literally just sat down at the computer when you placed the vote on Onjit, and I didn't even get your response to my message until after I placed my vote.

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Oh yeah, a funny thing: N1 and N3, I had the same targets as the mafia, without knowing anything about them. There was just the N2 Ninja on Ninja thing, but otherwise my roleblocks were useless since the targets dieded.

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

good game, guys
i'll play again next time if possible

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

I can't wait till Rhazz gets on. I'm sure he's rolling in his virtual grave.

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

soooooo whos hosting next game? Pls dont start sign ups until 14:00  UTC c:

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

How are the hosts picked anyways? From the winners, whoever wants to, the host decides?

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it's probably just whoever's the most trusted with moderator privileges on forum games