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Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

How to Play

Everybody will be assigned a role via random.org. Depending on your role, you’ll have a different win condition.
Town Win Condition: Kill every player not part of the town.
Mafia Win Condition: Kill every player that won’t submit to the mafia.
Witch Win Condition: Survive and take out town. Basically same mafia’s wincon, but has to survive.

During the day, the town can vote on a player to be lynched. There will have no defense, judgement, etc. Once someone gets the majority, this player is out of the game and the night starts. Days last 5 days or 120 hours, however, if the majority votes for a nolynch, it might end earlier.

To vote, you must use “!vote [player]/!nolynch”, bold and use it in a separate paragraph. Remember, voting =/= lynching. You can vote anyone you want whenever you want, it won’t automatically make you suspicious. Pressure votes are recommended.

During the night, any PR role can choose who they’re going to target. Mafia can chat with themselves while the town can make their reads. Nights last 2 days or 48 hours, however, if everybody chooses to skip the night, it might end earlier.

Whenever someone dies, I’ll reveal their role and their will, unless the janitor does a cleaning.

Factional Kill: Anyone in the mafia can sacrifice their night action to perform the factional kill. Roleblocking the mafia who's doing the kill will result in no kill.

Mafia Chat: Mafia Chat is open during the day and the night, so they can plan their moves. Nobody but them can see the chat or what they say, so if you’re mafia, post whatever you want in the chat.

Graveyard Chat: During the night, the dead players can chat among themselves and the medium, if there’s one. The medium is not forced to reveal his identity or be anonymous. However, the medium can’t just copy-paste the dead chat.

Last Wills/Death Notes: Yes, you can use them by putting /will or /dn and opening a quote. Last Wills will show up to town once you're dead, unless you were cleaned by the janitor. You can also use Death Notes if you're a killing role such as town killing or mafia (I don't recommend you use death note as mafia unless you want to cause something).

Useful links:
Basic Guide
Not so basic Guide
Playing as Citizen (This applies if you're a PR too)
Playing as Mafia
Common Tells
Glossary
Although, I recommend some more googling.

Rules
1. Forum Rules apply. With the exception of spam and off-topic, but don’t exaggerate.
2. Respect other players. You’re allowed to scream at them, but don’t go off hand.
3. Don’t gamethrow. Gamethrow is work against your faction wincon, such revealing your mafia team or purposely getting town lynched. Jesting counts as gamethrowing, because there’s no jester.
4. Don’t cheat. I listed all role cards so paraphrasing meta wouldn’t work. Screenshoting your role will make you automatically the lynch target.
5. If you’re dead, you can no longer post in the game thread or in the mafia chat. However, you can post at the graveyard chat during night.
6. Don’t post outside the game thread or the quicktopics I provide. Don’t even try to, I’ll catch you no matter what.
7. This game is for everyone. However, to improve the experience, if you’re known as a toxic/gamethrower/inactive player, I’ll have to blacklist you.
8. Have fun. Don’t stress out.

Prods: If you don't post anything for 24 hours, you'll receive a prod and you'll get another 24 hours to post in the thread or be replaced. If the post seems to don't bring anything, I am going to inform you that your prod hasn't expired. Three prods and you're out, so be active.

Role List

Town Investigative
Town Protective
Town Killing
Random Town*
Random Town**
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

Mafia Support
Mafia Deceptive
Random Mafia***

Witch

* = One Random Town might roll Citizen.
** = Town Killing can't roll in Random Town.
*** = Janitor is unique.

Role Cards

▼Town Investigative

Lookout

You are a Lookout.

Your alignment is Town Investigative.

You are a sharp eyed-individual that can recognize people from afar.
In the past people would pay you to watch over them to make sure that nobody would enter or leave their residence unnoticed.
However, since the Mafia invasion, you have decided to use your skills to help eliminate the Mafia.

You may watch one person each night.
You will see who visits that person each night, should someone visit.
You may not watch yourself and you will not know the roles of the visitors, only that they visited.

Goal: Eliminate mafia and all evildoers.

Lookout Results:
X, Y and Z visited your target. (RNGed, no meta for you)
Nobody has visited your target.

Sheriff

You are a Sheriff.

Your alignment is Town Investigative.

You are the Sheriff in this town and your role is to enforce the law.

Every night you have the ability to investigate one town member to see if they're up to anything suspicious.
If your target is a member of the Mafia, you will know, but you can't see the Witch. Framed targets will also show up as mafia.

Goal: Eliminate mafia and all evildoers.

Sheriff Results:
Mafia/Framed Town: Your target is a member of the mafia!
Town/Witch: Your target is not suspicious.

▼Town Protective

Bodyguard

You are a Bodyguard.

Your alignment is Town Protective.

You are a trained bodyguard, capable of throwing yourself into harm's way to save your client.

Each night you can choose one player to protect. If your target is attacked, both you and the attacker die instead, you can't be saved from death in that case.
You also have 1 bulletproof vest. If somebody tries to attack you when you wear a bulletproof vest, they will receive a message saying that you were immune.
However, you can only use this vest for one night, so choose wisely.

Goal: Eliminate mafia and all evildoers.

Bodyguard Results:
You died protecting your target.
Someone tried to attack you, but your bulletproof vest saved you.

Doctor

You are a Doctor.

Your alignment is Town Protective.

You are this town's doctor, and have kept everybody healthy for years.

You have the ability to visit one person each night. If they are attacked that night, you arrive just in time to save their life.
If your target is attacked, both you and your target will receive a message saying your target was attacked but healed.
You can only use the self-heal once, regardless of if you are attacked or not that night, so use it wisely.

Goal: Eliminate mafia and all evildoers.

Doctor Results:
Your target was attacked last night!
You were attacked, but you healed yourself!
You were attacked, but someone nursed you back to health!

▼Town Killing

Veteran

You are a Veteran.

Your alignment is Town Killing.

You're a war-hardened soldier who is living out his retirement in the small and calm town of Salem.
But your retirement is short-lived, as people begin dying when the Mafia comes to town.
Luckily you still have your gun with you and you can use it to go on alert, killing anyone who comes to your house that night.

Going on alert makes you kill anybody who comes to your house that night, both evil and good, so use this power carefully or you will do more harm than good.
You are immune to attacks and any other night actions besides investigative while on alert.
You can go on alert only 2 times throughout the game.

Goal: Eliminate all mafia and evildoers.

Veteran Results:
You shot someone last night.
You shot # people last night. (if more than one)

Vigilante

You are a Vigilante.

Your alignment is Town Killing.

You believe that the law of this town is useless against the evil-doers in your town and have decided to take matters into your own hands.

Each night you may decide to shoot and kill one town member you believe to be evil.
However, if the person you shoot turns out to be Town, you will be overcome with grief and vow never to shoot again.
You only have 3 bullets, allowing you to perform your night action up to 3 times. Make them count.
You can not shoot on the first night.

Goal: Eliminate mafia and all evildoers.

Vigilante Results:
Your target was immune to your shot.
You decided to take away your gun of guilt.

▼Town Support

Escort

You are an Escort.

Your alignment is Town Support.

You are this town's escort, usually providing various pleasures in exchange for money.
But, now that evil people are overrunning this town, you decide to use your "skills" to help the town.

Each night you can choose one player to visit. You will spend the night with your target, who will be too busy to use their role that night, effectively roleblocking them.
Your target will be informed that they were roleblocked.
You are immune to being roleblocked.

Goal: Eliminate mafia and all evildoers.

Escort Results:
Someone tried to roleblock you, but you are immune.

Medium

You are a Medium.

Your alignment is Town Support.

You are a powerful psychic who can communicate with the dead.
The dead cannot comprehend our speech, and we cannot comprehend theirs. That is where you come in - you are the translator in the middle!

During the day, you can a dead member to open a quicktopic chat with. You can freely speak with them during one night.
However, the dead words are cursed, if you quote, copy-paste or link to the quickchat, you're going to die.

Goal: Eliminate mafia and all evildoers.

▼Citizen

Citizen

You are a Citizen.

You don't have any special ability and just try to live your life in peace.

Each day you get to vote in an attempt to remove the Mafia from the community.

Goal: Eliminate mafia and all evildoers.

▼Mafia Support

Blackmailer

You are the Blackmailer.

Everyone who knows you doesn't want anything to do with you, but typically it's too late by then. Heck, even among the Mafia you are given the cold shoulder. With a smile almost creepily plastered on your face all the time, you have an unhealthy obsession with your job more so than any other member, and that's just what the Godfather wanted. You are the Blackmailer.

Each night you may track a single player, you are informed of who he/she visit.
You can also anonymously send someone messages whenever you want. Doing the factional kill won't sacrifice this action.
You can communicate with your allies, day or night, for as long as they are alive.

Your allies are X the Framer/Janitor and Y the Random Mafia

You can communicate here: Quicktopic

Goal: Put down town and anyone opposing your faction.

Consigliere

You are a Consigliere

Your alignment is Mafia Support.

You were a successful investigator in your early days. However, you quickly learned that playing fair doesn't pay and when the Godfather approached you and asked for you to join them, your choice was easy.
These days, you work as a Consigliere for the Mafia, figuring out what role every person plays in a town to help them make quick work of the towns they take over.

Every night you can choose to target one player.
You'll investigate them that night, finding out their exact role.
You can communicate with your allies each night, for as long as they are alive.
You can communicate with your allies, day or night, for as long as they are alive.

Your allies are X the Framer/Janitor and Y the Random Mafia.

You can communicate here: Quicktopic

Goal: Put down town and anyone opposing your faction.

Consigliere Results:
Your target has a good vision. He/She must be Lookout.
Your target gathers info. He/She must be Sheriff.
Your target is watching you. He/She must be Spy.
Your target is strong and ready to take someone down. He/She must be Bodyguard.
Your target owns a medical kit. He/She must be Doctor.
Your target is pretty scared. He/She must be Veteran.
Your target wants to do justice himself/herself. He/She must be Vigilante.
Your target looks attractive. He/She must be Escort.
Your target speaks with himself/herself. He/She must be Medium.
Your target rocks at sleeping. He/She must be Citizen.
Your target would blackmail you for wasting a night. He/She must be Blackmailer.
Your target is investigating himself/herself. He/She must be Consigliere.
Your target smiles at you. He/She must be Consort.
Your target blames you. He/She must be Framer.
Your target wipes the floor. He/She must be Janitor.
Your target works with voodoo. He/She must be Witch.

Consort

You are a Consort.

Your alignment is Mafia Support.

You were once an escort, giving away services to give your client's pleasure in exchange for money.
You hated it, however, and felt used every night.
Once the mafia came into town, you didn't hesitate one moment and managed to join them, offering to use your "skills" to distract townsfolk while each and every one of them was murdered.

Every night you can choose to target one player.  You'll distract them that night, roleblocking them.
Your target will be informed that they were roleblocked.
You are immune to being roleblocked.
You can communicate with your allies, day or night, for as long as they are alive.

Your allies are X the Framer/Janitor and Y the Random Mafia.

You can communicate here: Quicktopic

Goal: Put down town and anyone opposing your faction.

Consort Results:
Someone tried to roleblock you, but you are immune.

▼Mafia Deceptive

Framer

You are a Framer.

Your alignment is Mafia Deceptive.

You are a framer, skilled at forging documents.
With your skill, the Mafia was glad to hire you in exchange for your services.

Each night you have the ability to frame one player of your choice. If they're inspected by the Sheriff that night, it'll say they're a Mafia member.
You can communicate with your allies, day or night, for as long as they are alive.

Your allies are X the Blackmailer/Consigliere/Consort and Y the Random Mafia.

You can communicate here: Quicktopic

Goal: Put down town and anyone opposing your faction.

Janitor

You are a Janitor.

Your alignment is Mafia Deceptive.

You are a janitor, hired by the mafia for your skilled method of cleaning crime scenes.
You can clean a crime scene, hiding the role of somebody who died that night.

Each night you can choose to clean a player. If that player dies that night, their role won't be revealed to the town upon death. However, you WILL see what their role is. Their last will will also be revealed to you and hidden from the rest of the town.
It doesn't matter who kills your target or what side your target is on, the only thing that matters is that they die that night for your skill to work. If your target doesn't die, it will still use up one of your cleanings.
You can only choose to clean a target 3 times during the entire game.
You can communicate with your allies, day or night, for as long as they are alive.

Your allies are X the Blackmailer/Consigliere/Consort and Y the Random Mafia.

You can communicate here: Quicktopic

Goal: Put down town and anyone opposing your faction.

▼Witch

Witch

You are a Witch.

You hate these townsfolk. Every last one of them. They act like witches are evil, not realizing the great things your magic can do.
You'll show them, you'll show them all how powerful your magic is! They'll pay for forcing you to hide like this!

Every night you can choose somebody to control and somebody who you want your controlled player to use their ability on.
You won't be informed of the end result of your controlling or even if the one you controlled had an ability to use at all!
You'll have to pay close attention to learn people's abilities and use them to make the townsfolk suffer.
Your expertise in magic also taught you defensive spells. You have perfected a magical immunity shield, which shrouds your body.
It will discharge the instant you are attacked without protection. Once the shield has discharged these attacks will harm you, like any other non-magic user.
The attacker will only know of your immunity to their attack. The Veteran and Jailor are immune to this shield.
You are immune to being roleblocked.

Goal: Survive and watch town fall.

Living Players
- Calicara | Survived and won - Janitor
- AlphaJon | Survived and won - Witch
- Kaslai | Survived and won - Blackmailer

Graveyard
- Processor | Killed Night 1 by Mafia - Citizen
- Unau | Lynched D2 - Citizen
- SmittyW | Killed Night 2 by Mafia - Lookout
- W24 | Killed Night 3 by Mafia - Bodyguard
- Ninja | Killed Night 3 by Veteran - Consigliere
- Onjit | Lynched D4 - Doctor
- Anak | Endgamed - Citizen
- maxi123 | Endgamed - Veteran
- Pyromaniac | Endgamed - Citizen
- RhazzleFrazzle | Endgamed - Sheriff

Winners:
Ninja
Calicara
Kaslai
AlphaJon

Events:
Day 1 begins | Night 1 begins | RhazzleFrazzle replaces Zumza
Day 2 begins | VC 1.0 | VC 1.1 | VC 1.2 | VC 1.3 | VC 1.4 | VC 1.5 | VC 1.6 | VC 1.7 | VC 1.8 | Night 2 begins | AmdS replaces !nb4 but then gives up
Day 3 begins | VC 2.0 | Kaslai replaces !nb4/AmdS | VC 2.1 | VC 2.2 | VC 2.3 | VC 2.4 | VC 2.5 | VC 2.6 | VC 2.7 | VC 2.8 | Night 3 begins
Day 4 begins | VC 3.0 | VC 3.1 | VC 3.2 | VC 3.3 | VC 3.4 | VC 3.5 | VC 3.6 | The End | Mafia/Witch Victory | Rants/Review

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This is a false statement.

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Hi, posting on my phone right now, won't be home until at least in 12 hours, so please don't kill me in the meantile
PS: I wanted my mafia 4 title to be "first blood", guess why

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Your target would blackmail you for wasting a night. He/She must be Blackmailer.
Your target is investigating himself/herself. He/She must be Consigliere.

I lol'ed at there 2 Consigliere results
I'm posting this from my job, shh

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

My first "you slept peacefully" message in 3 mafia games

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

the new new and improved list of biggest suspects: (based on post count for D2)
Anak
maxi123
Unau
W24
!nb4

^ Lase three to post in D2 are mafia

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

hmm this looks just a little bit suspicious that onjit outright supported smittyw's suspects list (which was apparently nonsense)
or he just caught up with smitty's silly "post to be confirmed town" idea which is as well nonsense

Not sure if sarcasm or serious.
obviously it was a joke, smitty's list included everyone but him and someone else who posted before him

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Remaining people who didn't post in D2:
Anak
Unau
W24
!nb4

^ Guys, we got the mafia and the witch there. GGWP

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Stop. Just stop.

Only mafia are against jokes. 4th super secret mafia confirmed
ok I'll stop, pls don't kill me tonight whoever the mafia is ;_;

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Anyone got roleblocked or controlled by a witch?

My guess is that one of the four who didn't post, or processor were roleblocked/controlled.
Also, the witch maybe controlled a mafia member on processor, which resulted in him being killed, in which case the controlled one wouldn't want to speak up. We'll see once everyone posts a bit.

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

not to mention that this is D2 and not D1, jokes are not welcome anymore

Well I'm still giving out my thoughts about the game, I just happen to add in some jokes in between, and there's not much yet, it's only the beginning of the D2, and almost halfa third of the town didn't say anything yet.

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

If the sentence is that short, I don't think you will be able to guess someone's writing style

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Wow, these votes happened rather quickly, I just logged in to find 4votes and 1unvote on Unau. Tbh his behavior is.. weird, but I don't think voting now is the best thing to do

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

At the risk of seeming slightly biased,

Ninja doesn't come off as scummy to me, only because of his apparent non involvement. It seems like he's coming on for maybe two seconds, reading the last post, making a quick comment, and then logging off. (Perhaps busy outside the game). He might have come on, saw you prod Unau, and jumped on the lynch train before understanding the context. I think we should wait for him to make a statement.

That's what I thought too, however if he doesn't explain himself in his next post I'll assume he'll be just sheeping for the (in-game)days to come.
I also have my opinion on Unau, but I'm not going to disclose it yet because it is still early for that, I don't want my theory to be proven false 2 posts later

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

um what im not even drunk

You just went full defensive. Never go full defensive.

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

erm hellooo
I like bannanas

so I am here don't prod me man

You know that posting non-useful content doesn't count you towards being unprodded?

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Either way, town or mafia or witch, what he's doing is basically gamethrowing against his side, by almost begging for everyone to lynch him. For this reason, I will...
!vote Unau
There is one thing that bothers me though:

i dont know anything yet

i know nothing as of yet

i dont actually know

^ In 3 different posts(and I probably missed one or two). I don't understand the meaning of it. At first, I just thought that somehow he didn't receive Creature's role PM, and he just posts random stuff/nonsense/spam to compensate.
Then, there is this:

i am definitely a citizen

im not citizen, though i am still town

@Unau: Why would you roleclaim while not even being asked to? You're just putting this thing below, on yourself by doing all that.

▼kinda large image

Now we can only hope you're not actually a town PR, because mafia tend to naturally win in most cases, and we don't want the game to be even more unbalanced towards them.

Now about this post:

I also have my opinion on Unau, but I'm not going to disclose it yet because it is still early for that, I don't want my theory to be proven false 2 posts later

I thought you were trying to imitate Hostage in mafia 3, by acting nooby so you become unsuspicious. But your posts were total nonsense, while Hostage's ones had some logic (even if he gave himself and Creature away in a post, other people alive were so oblivious to him being mafia that they didn't even notice that).

Now if you have a really good reason for this, I will retract my vote, but don't forget there are 10 other people here, so you're going to be convincing.

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

At this point I'd rather have some blacklisted members replace them, because at least they were playing along the game, even if a mistake caused mafia 4's premature end. It went out of control, and hopefully, this won't happen again.

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Tbh I have to agree that Rhaz is playing aggressively, being the first to vote both D2 and D3. I'm not going to vote him, because he seems to play like this regardless of alignment (see previous mafia), and also because there are some of us who just like going unnoticed through the game.
Note to people who consider me as lurking: I was offline for the day, because IRL stuff, and it's hard to post when you have no internet access (actually it's almost 3AM here at the time of this post )

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Nah Kas I'd lean more towards stupidity than scum logic. W24 looks like a classic case of not sure if scum or VI but I'd lean more towards VI.

What makes you think so?
About the low post count = mafia thing: this is an excuse used by almost everyone on this forum, so much that mafias from the EE forums actually tend to post enough in order to avoid being read as scum. Just my opinion, don't know kow this works elsewhere

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

As someone once said "never let your guard down"

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Is there a way to get post counts for a user in a topic? There are quite a few people who don't post often, and I want to objectively know who they are without counting 10 pages worth of topics, especially on a phone. I'm not going on the no post=mafia bandwagon (see above), but explanations from them would be useful.

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

I explicitly wrote that I believe that post count <> alignment, but not everyone posts as often for different reasons. So let's just forget it
Kinda off-topic: I'd like to see a chat-based mafia game, you would have to think and act quickly, resulting in people making more mistakes => more scumreading. The whole game could potentially last only about an hour., and it'll prevent the "inactive player" side of things.

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Oh, well I didn't expect that. Well, I suppose that's another one of your pressure votes, so I'm just going to deal with it. I'm not the first one, and I won't be the last one either.

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Now we just have to find that pesky Witch.

Not cool to talk about yourself like that. /joke

No, really, you're accusing everyone just because you feel like it. You're trying to make us agree with each other so we get read as scum.

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Re: Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Since I was Ninja'd by Maxi123, I may as well add in my replies to him

uh
if you dont want to see alignment that way then why bother
anyway theres only one way: count all the posts

That's why I dropped it, but it apparently was reason enough for Rhaz to vote me.

    RhazzleFrazzle wrote:
    Vote on AlphaJon is now serious.

you wont make it look like it's not just a pressure vote by simply saying that

Exactly.