Mafia 4 game thread (Day 2)

Processor · 2016-02-13 13:06:47

A little update on Maxi123:

His softclaim made me feel a bit better about him. I'll give him a town pass for today. Same goes for Creature, until we learn about Calicara's role tonight.

I'm now looking for new targets. Zoey is my biggest scumread at this point.

W24 might be a jester.
SmittyW, Tako, Bobithan are super super inactive.
Hostage is unreadabe, someone please investigate them tonight.
There is not much to be said about Pyro, Evilbunny and Onjit.

Which leads me to the following readslist:

Processor's ReadList V2.1

Town
Processor
Calicara
Anak
W24
Maxi123
Creature
Pyromaniac
Evilbunny
Onjit
Hostage
Tako
SmittyW
Bobithan
Zoey2070
Scum

Processor · 2016-02-13 14:16:38

Processor wrote:

Zoey2070 wrote:
after making a p nice albeit probably unreadable graph
Let me point out that this is still very useless and isn't going to help us. (See how the old graph in game 3 also was useless)

I didn't really look at this too much, it looked a lot like another accusation graph like in game 3. It wasn't and I take back what I said. I decided to do a in-depth analysis:

Starting with calicara on top right:
"(Creature) didn't mention RB until RB mention 103"
Calicara essentially hardclaimed her role. You don't expect people to do that out of nowhere. Otherwise you'd be telling mafia exactly who they want to lynch every night. I think her reaction was proper. It wasn't too late, see below.

"(Anak) brought up way late"
Roleclaims shouldn't happen at all in my opinion. They guarantee your death as soon as doctor dies. It makes sense that she was hesitant to claim at first.

"(Calicara) If consort => Anak=town"
This makes sense. Mafia wouldn't just claim two RBers and accuse each other.

"(Anak) If mafia => Calicara=town"
Same as above.

"(Calicara) If town => Anak=maf"
Why? We could have 2 RBers and her reaction wasn't out of place.

"(Calicara) Is definitely at least a RBer => why does Anak doubt that?"
For the exact same reason that you think Anak must be mafia if Calicara is town.

"(Someone else) Not coming out w/ it means that might be mafia"
Great point. Agreed.

"(Someone else) Not coming out w/ it means that might be mafia => need witch input which would probably get them lynched"
Yeah. Witch or bus driver. In both cases, they dont seem to be town aligned, because they aren't helping us. Maybe neutral maybe mafia.

"Neutral is witch, not exe b/c there is witch / SK"
See below. I'd rather not POE like this yet, the witch could be mafia alligned.

"why does proc say tako is town when tako hasn't even posted?"
Because I believe the witch/bus driver is most likely mafia aligned. They swapped tako with themselves to make sure they wouldn't be killed/rbed.
I seriously didn't expect anyone to roleblock Tako, like, come on...

Mafia swapped their most vulnerable member with Tako. Who was likely to be RB'd last night? hmmm
Based on activity,Maxi, Creature and Zoey2070 come to my mind. (I left out Anak and myself out of that list for obvious reasons)

"=> whatre [?] proc's suspecious? Rhazh hasn't [???] used RNG (MI) [?] & hasn't had a non town role muh gamblrs fallacy tho"
Please.

"Proc! v. quick to vote"
No it wasn't quick. I was the first to vote but I didn't vote quickly. I also analyzed both Creature/Maxi123 a lot before placing my vote on them.

"tldr = Anak's target is probably the mafia. gj witch"
I like this. It's good to see that we are on the same page.

Processor · 2016-02-13 15:25:30

W24 wrote:

since he was mafia last game.

Roles are chosen randomly afaik, so he is just as likely as anyone else to be mafia.

Processor · 2016-02-13 17:11:36

Calicara, W24, Maxi and I have placed a vote.

Calicara's vote is RIP.
Maxi unvoted.
W24 is voting Maxi.
I am voting Zoey2070.

We need 7 votes for a lynch.

Pyromaniac wrote:

But i'm still suspicious of anyone who just declares themselves to be a town leader without any evidence besides their big personality to back them up.

My personality IS to be a leader!!! I see you don't like that. Oh well...

I cannot see how you would think I am scummy. (What am I going to gain by being like I am? You made it seem like I had a strategy to mislead the town, but how?)

I have moved my vote twice now. I use my voting power to put pressure on people. The explanations on why I moved away from X and onto Y are in the thread for you to read. If you cannot follow my train of thought, let me know so I can explain.
I decided Maxi123 and Creature are both a risky lynch. I am pretty certain that they are either both Town or both Mafia.

I appreciate your concerns about me. I am glad that you are keeping the big picture in mind and made a lot of great points in your post.

Thanks for also making me reconsider my stance on W24:
He seems to have an odd suspicion about me. It strikes me very oddly now that I read his statements again.
It is as if he was told to get me lynched, his push looks very forced.
The arguments he had against my case were very cheap, and I believe he just came up with a few random reasons after we asked him why.
We are dealing with either a Jester or Mafia who was told in the night chat to say I am suspicious.

And thus, my updated reads list:

Processor's ReadList V2.2

Town
Processor
Calicara
Anak
Pyromaniac
Evilbunny
Maxi123
Creature
Onjit
Hostage
W24
Tako
SmittyW
Bobithan
Zoey2070
Scum

Processor · 2016-02-13 17:34:36

Bobithan wrote:

I think it is safe to assume at this point that whoever Anak did end up roleblocking was Creature as nobody else has stepped up saying that they were roleblocked.

I strongly believe that Calicara roleblocked Creature. She was the first to mention it and she must be the RBer.
If Anak would also roleblock Creature, he would get a message saying that he was roleblocked twice. (I have confirmed this with RhazzleFrazzle)

Now, Maxi tells us that ~because of his role~ he knows that creature is not a mafia. (#184)
Which means, Creature would tell us if he was RBed twice.

So, if Maxi is town, Creature is town and Anak attacked someone else. They are obviously not telling us because if they did we would know that they are the mafia.

I also agree that it is very likely that we have a bus driver. They must be scum, otherwise the bus driver would tell us who they swapped tako with.

Calicara said that her roleblock succeeded normally. It means that Tako was swapped with someone else.
It wasn't Tako, it wasn't Anak, it wasn't Calicara, it wasn't Creature, it probably wasn't maxi123, it wasn't me. 8 potential targets remaining.

There is one scum between Pyro, EB, W24, Hostage, SmittyW, Bobithan, Onjit, Zoey2070. Duh!

Bobithan wrote:

On the subject of my being scum...

Nobody said that, you just keep falling lower and lower in my reads list the more inactive you are.
You are now back to being orange-yellowish.

Processor · 2016-02-13 17:55:41

SmittyW. wrote:

who would want to claim being roleblocked on a night with no mafia kills? That just seems suicidal...

You still should because otherwise you force the person with the power to roleblock (calicara) to speak up and say so. That just happened.
If cali was still alive, she would probably be killed tonight. So she essentially had to risk her life to let us know that creature was keeping something from us.
(Yes I am assuming calicara was telling the truth, because she really seemed very towny. If she turns out to be otherwise, we know who to lynch tomorrow)

I believe Creature is experienced enough (he plays mafia on other sites too) to realize the implications of not speaking up. His behavior is very anti-town.

You already see that there might have been other causes for the night kill fail:
a) Mafia AFK
b) They hit SK
c) Someone else was also roleblocked

so just speaking up isn't going to get you lynched. In fact, it would make me have a townish opinion on the person because they helped prevent the RBer from role claiming.
Again: I expect Creature to be experienced enough to know this.

You don't just randomly forget an important detail like that one...
It was a conscious decision he made because he was hoping that calicara wouldn't speak up.
He had nothing to lose by speaking up. A scum Creature gains the opportunity to reveal a role blocker's role or just cause general chaos if they remain silent.

Overall, things don't look good for Creature. If creature is mafia maxi123 is also mafia. I don't want to go down the path of lynching one of the two yet.
@SmittyW: I'd like to hear your opinion about lynching either Creature or Maxi123. It seems risky to me... Is it worth the risk?

Also how about this:
@SK: Please kill one of Creature/Maxi123 tonight. I love you. <3

Processor · 2016-02-13 18:57:09

The SK will kill someone tonight. It's just a matter of who it will be.

Also I mean't to say we know who to NOT lynch tomorrow.* (You and Creature)
Although the chances of Calicara being scum are still very remote.

@SK: Don't kill Maxi123 or Creature if Calicara turns out to be a member of the mafia.

Processor · 2016-02-13 21:03:32

FINALLY! SMITTY WAS PRODDED.

Creature wrote:

I am going to trust maxi123 for now, if he were mafia, he'd just let my lynch happen. However, he might be aiming to look like a town when my role flips.

Thanks for pointing this out. Maxi123 hasn't done anything which could lead us to consider this possibility yet. I'll be watching him for any tells.

I won't let a mislynch on any of you two happen. I am waiting for stronger reads before I consider seriously getting either person lynched.

Creature wrote:

I am getting suspicious of SmittyW, here he states what has already been said (sheeping) and encourages me to hardclaim (fishing). Then he just disappeared. Later, he just changed his opinion.

I agree that the request to hardclaim was dumb. How much of that can be contributed to inexperience? I don't know. There were a lot of roleclaims today, SmittyW might have gotten the impression that this is a normal thing to do maybe.
Smitty certainly doesn't look town to me yet. He needs to be a bit more talkative before I can have some serious opinion about him.

SmittyW. wrote:

@Proc I think it would be wiser to lynch someone else since we know maxi and Creature are paired together. If anyone has a clue what their alignment is, we could easily get back at them. Who we lynch I still haven't decided.

It's nice to see that we are on the same page then. Other lynches might be more informative to us as well.

PEDIT: (Preview edit) Don't rely on me for anything. Do your own work, I wont babysit you all forever. I'm not your excuse for your inactivity.

Inactivity isn't a good thing. I NEED you all to talk or otherwise I can't really tell who is scum and who is town. So if you are being inactive intentionally, I am going to assume you are trying to dodge my reads and trying to hide in between the crowd.
Lurking is a scummy activity, I have no problem lynching anyone for that reason.

Processor · 2016-02-13 21:20:25

I am a unique snowflake <3

Zoey2070 wrote:

proc pls explain exactly why i'm so heavily scum besides based on activity, because i can think of a pretty good reason for laying low besides being scum.

Assuming: *can't

Reluctance to persuade the town's goal. This is mostly about the way you present facts, the general negative attitude you have in this game is very dumb.
In Game 3 you MADE an effort to contribute. Game 3 was also the only game where you were town.
Now you are just back to being just like you were in game 2.

Zoey2070 wrote:

or maybe because literally every time i post, i'm attacked for it not being "important" enough? why should i post if i have nothing really valuable to say? my goal is and always has been to live as long as possible. I don't switch into in-it-to-win-it mode until way late. hi guys i've spent the last four mafia games being mostly apathetic. (also i do this on TOS too) (also i p much forced myself to stop being lazy and actually post g3)
(also i pretty much forget it every single time until someone posts and i see the notification from gregbot)

Bla bla bla, that is just blank text with no content at all which I am just going to ignore.

Actually, I just found something in there: A CONTRADICTION!!!!!!!

Zoey2070 wrote:

why should i post if i have nothing really valuable to say?

So it's ok to not have anything to say?

Zoey2070 wrote:

o wow u have nothing to say? completely suspicious

Then you go an accuse Bobithan and SmittyW for the same reason?!

And another thing:

Zoey2070 wrote:

my goal is and always has been to live as long as possible.

"hai guys I'm scum but don't lynch me"
This is what a scum wants. You just told us directly, thanks!

Zoey2070 wrote:

maybe proc and pyro are buddied. idk. kinda seems that way though.

What gives you this impression?

Oh wait why am I even talking with a scum about this....

Zoey2070 wrote:

woah for a second i was gonna say there's no way you replied that fast to my post gg

Ahahahahha how cute

Processor · 2016-02-13 21:58:04

SmittyW. wrote:

That doesn't even make sense. She can't help it if she doesn't have any info.

It was part of a longer statement. This first part of my statement was sarcastic.

SmittyW. wrote:

I think that was sarcasm.

Except it SERIOUSLY IS suspicious if people just say "hi guis I have nothing to say, dont prod me, but I wont make ANY EFFORT WHATSOEVER TO HELP YOU I WILL JUST SIT HERE AND LET MAFIA WIN".

You might think she is being sarcastic, but if you don't take it for sarcasm it makes perfect sense and is a statement I will agree with. By lurking you are making it easy for mafia to hide between the crowd. You gotta stand out or you get policy lynched.

Even if her statement was sarcastic, it proves my other point. Zoey is being the opposite of a pro-town member. How does she want to win this game by accepting the fact that half the members of the game are just sitting here doing nothing? I have to believe that she doesn't want town to win. It's the only explanation to all this.

Processor · 2016-02-13 22:04:39

Zoey2070 wrote:

what. look, if i make it near the end, i consider it a win.

This is not how you win mafia.

Zoey2070 wrote:

i'll write more about my reads on you when i feel like it, but you'll just dismiss them because confirmation bias, right?

Do you know what confbias is? Nobody mentioned pyro and I buddying before. Who are you going to confirm?

I am going to assume you really didn't have a single reason to accuse me of that. Just tossing accusations around, very towny, very towny.

Your attitude is becoming more and more malicious.

I'd vote for you again if I could.
!vote Zoey2070

@SmittyW: Do you seriously think Zoey's behavior is ok? Don't you see ANYTHING wrong with it?

Processor · 2016-02-13 22:08:05

Zoey2070 wrote:

what. look, if i make it near the end, i consider it a win.

I am just speechless. This is the definition of gamethrowing.
(@RhazzleFrazzle: REPORT REPORT PLEASE REPLACE ZOEY FOR GODS SAKE)

Processor · 2016-02-13 22:08:35

(@RhazzleFrazzle: Get your votes right, W24 voted for Maxi123, Maxi123 didn't vote for anybody)

Processor · 2016-02-13 22:20:49

SmittyW. wrote:

!vote Zoey2070

Wow I am not that blind then!

maxi123 wrote:

now you just again followed proc because that was the best thing you thought would be to look more like town

Now you're nagging around for no reason. Voting out of nowhere is suspicious, but Smitty and I just had a convo about Zoey. Look a few posts behind this one. I literally asked Smitty to vote for her.

Processor · 2016-02-13 22:24:19

Also I just realized that I have no reason to believe that Calicara is town.

The first assumption came with the suspicions I had about Creature. Since he is looking rather town to me right now, I am going to move Calicara to the yellow area in my reads list. She could turn out to be mafia just as likely as she is to be town. If she turns out to be mafia, Creature and maxi are both town.

I don't think we need to speculate about Calicara much more than this though, her fate is already decided.

Processor · 2016-02-13 22:28:03

Zoey2070 wrote:

and let's be real, town never wins these games.

I was there in game one and I won that game.

I'm just going to ignore the "no" before I explode.

Zoey2070 wrote:

pls give me a little while to make some more posts before majority kthx

Wish granted. I'll unvote if it comes to it.

Processor · 2016-02-13 23:34:34

I was sitting outside in the nature meditating and it suddenly hit me that zoey couldn't possibly be mafia!

!unvote

Processor · 2016-02-13 23:37:52

Zoey2070 wrote:

i kind of still think processor is suspicious mostly because he keeps suggesting that calicara is town up until a few posts ago [#270], w/ no real proof even though i've said multiple times that it's definitely possible that she's mafia.

I EXACTLY explained why my opinion about calicara wasn't so accurate anymore. At first I was convinced that Creature must be scum, now I realize that Creature is probably town.

Creature being scum was the assumption on which my town read on Calicara was based on. I forgot this fact and kept thinking she was still town over and over. I fixed my opinion.

tldr: Creature being scum was my proof of calicara's probable innocence.

Processor · 2016-02-13 23:40:44

Anak wrote:

Oh it slipped my mind that the other mafia wouldn't have been notified

I think Anak is confusing the role blocking mechanic with the way Jailor worked in the first mafia game.
You chose a target during the DAY and they couldnt participate in the night chat anymore.

RhazzleFrazzle switched to another method were the roleblocks are submitted at night and at the same time with the mafia commands. So if the mafia are unlucky, they might get roleblocked with the wrong person.

Processor · 2016-02-13 23:41:31

Although, yes, he should know how her roleblocking works because he received the rolecard for it. hmmm

Processor · 2016-02-13 23:47:25

Zoey2070 wrote:

so idk it's kind of sketchy that proc votes creature up instead of considering who anak RBed

I have long moved away from this vote. It seemed right at the time, but not I am pretty certain that Creature is town.

Zoey2070 wrote:

also creature confirmed town

When? where?

Zoey2070 wrote:

processor pretty much completely ignores anak's bit for quite a while

What part did I miss?

Processor · 2016-02-13 23:59:08

SmittyW. wrote:

So if someone were to have seen a post by a dead player *cough* Calicara *cough* and the post contained some revealing info, would it be fair to post that info?

Would rhazzlefrazzle remove the post if it was ok?

Processor · 2016-02-14 01:17:08

Oh no!

Processor · 2016-02-14 01:45:10

Thank god it was cancelled. The game was **** up more than enough.

ALLOW ME TO ROLECLAIM!!! I was the Miller!

RhazzleFrazzle wrote:

You are a Nub
You are aligned with the Town

Everyone calls you it, so you just decided to accept what you are. Too bad people don't realize the perks of being a nub.
Upon your death your alignment will not be revealed to the Town. You may continue to post in the thread once dead, however you will not have any vote and be untargetable by all actions. Due to the fact that everyone sees you as a nub however, you will appear as a member of the Mafia to all investigatives. You otherwise function as a Citizen.
You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated
The game thread can be found here

Processor · 2016-02-14 01:49:02

What follows is a summary of what has happenned, for documentation purposes:

Last night this was said in IRC:

People on IRC wrote:

05:45:59 <Calicara> hiiiiiiiiii
05:46:25 <Calicara> :::::)
05:46:37 <Evilbunny> hai
05:46:43 <Calicara> hiiiiiii
05:46:58 <Calicara> I might be slightl drunk
05:47:02 <Calicara> and by slight I mean very
05:47:03 <Calicara>
05:47:21 <Evilbunny>
05:47:27 <Calicara> omg i'm so drunk haha
05:47:30 <Calicara> it's awesme
05:48:09 <Zoey2070> what's ur role in mafia
05:48:24 <Calicara> I am the escort
05:48:26 <Calicara> as I have said
05:48:37 <Zoey2070> are u sure ur not the consort
05:48:57 <Calicara> I am sure I am town
05:49:07 <Zoey2070> that's exactly what a mafia would say
05:49:17 <Zoey2070> in hindsight idk why i asked since u DID say it
05:49:32 <Calicara> why haven't you posted at all, what's your role huh?
05:49:34 <Calicara> :::D
05:49:45 <Zoey2070> wow no gamethrowing
05:49:58 <Zoey2070> & i haven't posted bc i have nothing TO post
05:50:11 <Zoey2070> i'll go make more dank memes to psot
05:50:22 <Calicara> mmk
05:50:37 <Evilbunny> be like me, look like you actually have something to say
05:51:01 <Evilbunny> even tough this game is really complicated so far and I don't feel like comprehending what is happening

I told rhazzlefrazzle to modkill zoey for taking advantage of caliraca and attempting to break the game.
He only modkilled Calicara, because modkilling zoey would break the game balance.
This was a terrible choice, but okay fine. Life isn't fair. What followed is that Rhaz completeled failed to manage Calicara, who was furious at the fact that Rhazh didn't modkill zoey.
She made this post: https://sepi.me/FaxSunshineAboveStretch.png

Which confirms that she is scum. Which confirms that Zoey is town.

What is worst however, is the slip from Rhazh himself. (4 hours before the post from calicara)

PM between Processor and Zoey2070 wrote:

20:09:55 <RhazhBash> feel free to scumread the slot btw
20:10:08 <Proc> which slot
20:11:00 <RhazhBash> calis
20:11:17 <Proc> is she scum or not who knows
20:11:26 <RhazhBash> its already dead, but i dont mind if people speculate on its alignment before i reveal it at the end of the day
20:11:35 <Proc> why did you mention it
20:11:43 <Proc> I already said what I think about her role
20:11:51 <Proc> she didnt say she was scum or did I misinterpret anyhting
20:14:51 <Proc> what is happening
20:14:58 <Proc> hello?
20:15:06 <Proc> Did you or did I misunderstand anything?
20:16:46 <RhazhBash> i wont say any more

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