Mafia 4 game thread (Day 2)

Processor · 2016-02-11 22:59:46

Killing should be their top priority, and they can choose between a special ability and the kill. I doubt they would be doing a roleblock instead of a kill.

They might have been roleblocked at well.

I think it is _very_ likely that they found the serial killer as well. SK cannot be killed at night so it would make sense.

Processor · 2016-02-11 23:22:22

Calicara wrote:

Since we're on the topic of roleblocking, last night I Rb'ed Creature.

This is exactly why I first wanted to ask if anyone was attacked + healed that night. Alright, cool.

Roleblocking mafia is totally possible. One member of the mafia will always choose to carry out the kill. They wont know they are roleblocked until the night ends and all night actions are locked in. Therefore the mafia cannot react and must guess which member is the safest to carry the kill.

Pyromaniac

Processor · 2016-02-11 23:23:40

maxi123 wrote:

Processor wrote:
I think it is _very_ likely that they found the serial killer as well. SK cannot be killed at night so it would make sense.
no, SK would kill the attacker if that would happen and we would see a mafia dead, not zelda

What? They don't backfire. SK probably doesn't even know that they were attacked if they were....

Processor · 2016-02-11 23:24:13

Please read the SK rolecard, it was posted in the joining thread.

Processor · 2016-02-11 23:32:18

We can rule out the inactivity and _something other than faction kill_, both are dumb things to do.

So either they were unable to carry out the kill because they were
a)roleblocked, or
b) their target was immune, because
i) they were healed
ii) they were roleblocked
iii) they were the SK or another night-immune character

It's a good sign that Creature and Calicara are cooperating on this. I will also expect someone between us who can heal to prevent Calicara from dying tonight.

Processor · 2016-02-11 23:33:13

Sorry, I forgot roleblocking doesn't automatically make you immune. Fixed version:

So either they were unable to carry out the kill because they were
a) roleblocked, or
b) their target was immune, because
i) they were healed
ii) they were the SK or another night-immune character

Processor · 2016-02-11 23:33:51

maxi123 wrote:

what if they have some sort of an ability that is worth using instead of a kill..?

One? Yes. Three is too much, I doubt it because we can't see any effects of it right now.

Processor · 2016-02-11 23:35:25

!facepalm

Ok that's enough roleclaims for now.

Processor · 2016-02-11 23:36:40

There was a role in game 2 that could switch roles. Maybe that's what Calicara is, and mafia aligned.

Processor · 2016-02-12 14:44:40

maxi123 wrote:

escort = town?
consort = mafia?

That is correct, sir.

Processor · 2016-02-12 15:59:38

(@rhazzlefrazzle: Prod Tako please, and extend the day because of the downtime)

Tako town. W24 town.

I'm going to claim that we have 1 scum between Anak/Creature/Calicara.

Calicara confirmed roleblocking creature very early in the game. She couldn't possibly know that Creature was roleblocked if she were a mafia bus driver, so this rules out that possibility to her favor. I don't think her behavior helps us determine her alignment yet, I can see a valid strategy for mafia to claim the same thing.

Anak's reaction makes sense. He thought it was weird that he was a prostitute himself.
I believe him when he says he RB'd Tako, and that he was swapped with someone else. This is probably the reason mafia didn't attack anyone. They swapped themselves with tako to prevent any damage: Nobody would attack tako, I mean could you find a possibly more inactive person?! lol

Creature seems scummy. He confirmed being roleblocked only after calicara pointed it out. It was a very late reaction. He had the chance to let us know earlier...

!vote Creature

Processor · 2016-02-12 16:49:47

Pyromaniac wrote:

Why do you think w24 is town?

He is a newbie. I don't believe he would make a such bold and random claim if he was mafia. (Unless he was instructed by a mafia member, but I'm putting him on town for now)
It is a weak tell because I only have heard from him once. He should start talking more or I will change my opinion about him very fast.

Pyromaniac wrote:

And why did you say Tako is town? Just because he's inactive? Isn't that what last game had people suspecting Zooey?

Zoey wasn't scum last day, what is your point?

Looking back, history has thought us that most active members are more likely to be a PR or Scum.
Right now those people would be: Maxi123, Anak, Creature, You (Pyro) and myself.

I put Tako town, and I explained it later in my post:

Processor wrote:

I believe him when he says he RB'd Tako, and that he was swapped with someone else. This is probably the reason mafia didn't attack anyone. They swapped themselves with tako to prevent any damage: Nobody would attack tako, I mean could you find a possibly more inactive person?! lol

Why would the mafia swap Tako with someone else?!

Look maybe the mafia doesn't have a role swapping ability, and that person is town aligned. I'd have no explanation for why they swapped Tako with someone else then...

Pyromaniac wrote:

he could've just been afk until after cali claimed rb

a) He posted earlier in the day, if he wanted to tell us, he could do that earlier
b) He confirmed calicara within ~15 minutes

I believe he had no intentions to tell us about the kidnap at all.

maxi123 wrote:

if he is mafia why would he admit that he got RBed if that just pushes us closer towards conclusion the mafia kill didnt occur due to him being RBed?

That's exactly what he wants us to think

If I were scum, I would have done the exact same thing, it was the best option. Otherwise we would lynch cali and then realize that she was right and then we would lynch Creature.

maxi123 wrote:

im still in doubt that creature is scummy

This is the second time you buddy with Creature this game.

Maxi scumlean.

Creature wrote:

First, I wouldn't make the kill if I were mafia.

Yes you would. (Or explain why not?)

Creature wrote:

Second, if you noticed, I am so far the only one who claimed to be roleblocked.

This is odd, agreed, but I doubt anak would be playing suck a risky gambit. It would be very different from his playstyle in the past games.

Processor · 2016-02-12 17:18:56

maxi123 wrote:

Processor wrote:
This is the second time you buddy with Creature this game.
if you havent noticed, im trying to question almost every accusion to prevent town mislynches
also what was the 1st time?

I am doing my best to prevent a mislynch as well, but we must lynch someone today.

This is the first time you buddied with Creature: http://forums.everybodyedits.com/viewto … 76#p581376

Creature wrote:

Anak claiming early won't make him automatically town.

I never said that. The opposite cannot be said either.

Hostage wrote:

Hmm
on one hand,the mafia could be inexperienced and not kill anyone
on the other hand,they could be wanting us to think that

Mafia definitely knew that they had to kill someone at least. I'm pretty sure.

Processor · 2016-02-12 17:40:06

@pyro: no i don't think a mafia aligned player would make that mistake. I find it even less likely because this is not D1, but D2. W24 wasn't that excited about D1 apparently.

Processor · 2016-02-12 20:17:44

(@RhazzleFrazzle: How many messages will a person receive if they are kidnapped twice?)

maxi123 wrote:

Processor wrote:
but we must lynch someone today.
we dont have enough evidence on D2 for a 100% accurate lynch

So? No matter what, we still need to lynch someone. We have higher chances of winning if we were to lynch random people than if we sit and do nothing.

maxi123 wrote:

Processor wrote:
This is the first time you buddied with Creature:
Processor wrote:
Both maxi123 and Creature are attacking calicara.
Maxi defends Creature's stance.
really?
i thought you were joking around
i have no clue what led you to that conclusion and i have answered to that accussation or read or whatever of yours

This is the second time you strongly defend Creature. That is a fact and you cannot really say it didn't happen because it did.

a) You told Calicara to stop attacking Creature and called her behavior stupid. (Defended creature, attacked calicara)
b) You said Creature wasn't scummy. (Defended creature again)

I didn't say defending the same person makes you automatically scum, but right now I don't have a good feeling about Creature and that's why I'm starting to suspect you as well.

Here is another reason why I think you might be scum:
You are too focused on defending yourself even though I didn't put a vote down on you. Scum players get very nervous when they are accused, especially when they don't have a lot of experience in the game. Look, I already told you why your reasoning about Creature is invalid, was I able to convince you or not? https://forums.everybodyedits.com/viewt … 13#p582413

maxi123 wrote:

please dont be stupid like that, its annoying

This is a terrible response.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem
You won't convince me of your innocence this way.

maxi123 wrote:

you gotta change your plan now, just making sure you realise that :l

~Maybe they will~
~Maybe they wont~
The mafia will never know...

Processor · 2016-02-12 23:41:13

maxi123 wrote:

show me that line where i referred to creature and defended him

Ok here you are:

maxi123 wrote:

Calicara, in response to Creature wrote:
And you are? I'm getting a scum reading from you already, attacking me on D1. Smh
cali pls
get the joke lol
dont repeat ur defensive crap from game 3

Calicara was accusing Creature and you told her to back off. Isn't that defending him?

maxi123 wrote:

We have higher chances of winning if we were to lynch random people than if we sit and do nothing.
no. do your math. we will lose faster if we do random lynches

Winning chances if we don't lynch at all: 0%
Winning chances if we lynch randomly: >1%

It is almost always better to lynch someone instead of nobody. Scum aren't going to kill themselves during the night, you know...

Town lost the mafia game 2 by just nolynching. Don't do that again. It is strategically almost always smarter to lynch one person during the day.
Also fyi, I think your opinion on nolynch is just dumb, it isn't really scummy, it is just dumb.

maxi123 wrote:

honestly you look a LOT like scum to me right now, you clearly stated that youre trying to get a mislynch + you start to alter the meaning of my words and make things up, like mafia typically does to accuse town
im not sure but
!vote Processor

Seriously, you exactly know that I don't want a mislynch either. It is BS to call that a tell, YOU are the person who is changing the meaning of MY statement (which is: we still should lynch the scummiest person, even if they could unfortunately be a town member).

This is a very opportunistic move. You want to push attention away from yourself.

You already stated that you think a lynch today could result in a mislynch and that's why you think we should not lynch anyone.
Then you go ahead and vote to get me lynched, what the hell, that is such a contradiction.
Where's your logic?

@Everyone: Tell me what you think about Maxi123, do you agree with the points I made?

Creature still looks scummy, his argument about not killing if he were mafia makes 0 sense (and I know that he is capable of proper argumentation).

But: I'm moving my vote to maxi because he seems like a much more obvious scum at this point.

!vote Maxi123

Processor · 2016-02-12 23:58:33

Creature wrote:

The biggest evidence against me is that I was roleblocked and there were no mafia kills, but did you ever take in consideration what I said about Anak?

Yes I have considered it:

Processor wrote:

Second, if you noticed, I am so far the only one who claimed to be roleblocked.
This is odd, agreed, but I doubt anak would be playing suck a risky gambit. It would be very different from his playstyle in the past games.

Anak attacking someone you doesn't really change my opinion about you.

*snip*
I am going to assume that Creature was RB'd only once.

So: We don't know who received the roleblock. The three reasons for that are:
a) AFK
b) They are the mafia and are currently enjoying that we are being misled.
c) Anak lied about everything

If the second statement is true, Anak would be telling the truth.

Anak's reaction makes sense in so many ways here.

EDIT: Removed soemthing on mod's request.

Processor · 2016-02-13 00:02:43

Ignore my last post, I'll fix and repost it in a second.

Processor · 2016-02-13 00:15:39

Creature wrote:

The biggest evidence against me is that I was roleblocked and there were no mafia kills, but did you ever take in consideration what I said about Anak?

Yes I have considered it:

Processor wrote:

Creature wrote:
Second, if you noticed, I am so far the only one who claimed to be roleblocked.
This is odd, agreed, but I doubt anak would be playing suck a risky gambit. It would be very different from his playstyle in the past games.

Anak attacking someone doesn't really change my opinion about you.

I have asked RhazzleFrazzle and confirmed that a double roleblock is detectable by its target. I am going to assume that Creature was RB'd only once.
So: We don't know who received the roleblock. The three reasons for that are:
a) AFK
b) They are the mafia and are currently enjoying that we are being misled.
c) Anak lied about everything

If the first/second statements are true, Anak would be telling the truth. Anak's reaction just makes sense in so many ways here. I can't see how the scumanak would behave in such a way.
If you are paranoid you could have a neutral opinion on him, but definitely not scum yet.

Processor · 2016-02-13 03:00:41

Explain your vote W24.

Confbias (saying "hey, I agree with proc so this is a vote") is a pretty weak excuse. Put some effort into your votes.

Processor · 2016-02-13 03:03:14

W24 / Hostage / Tako / SmittyW seem to be very hard to read due to their lack of dedication. I'd be glad if our investigators could check em tonight.

Processor · 2016-02-13 03:04:56

I don't trust this town to not hammer the vote on maxi while I'm asleep. It has happened in the last two games.

My vote still stands formally, but I am going to
!unvote
just to have a peace of mind.

Processor · 2016-02-13 03:17:29

"Players may No Lynch in order to maintain an odd number of living players, which is mathematically advantageous." - MafiaScum wiki
That only applies when there is one killing force (mafia), and not when we have an extra SK.

@Anak: Please explain why you thought RBing Tako was a good idea. It seems like an odd choice...

Processor · 2016-02-13 12:08:13

Onjit wrote:

Processor is trying to be the boss. (Like Rhaz did last game, and we all know how that turned out)

Except now I hope that you don't make the same mistake.

Let me make this announcement:
I am processor, your official nub, and I will LEAD THIS TOWN TO VICTORY! So get on my side.

Let me introduce to you my opinion on zoey:

Zoey2070 wrote:

although he could have fudged the phrasing a bit to mislead us into believing there was a witch?

How would that work? Finish your thought process please.
If he was scum, I doubt he would roleclaim. I've already explained why in the past.

Zoey2070 wrote:

i think proc's tryina take control of the game; depending on whether he's a mafia-leader-let's-dupe-them or an actual trying-to-let-town-win-for-once; either way i think as a person who's hosted a mafia game, he's frustrated.

"Oh damn, you are right, processor posts a lot, I totally didn't notice that."
Sorry for being too active? I can't see where you are trying to go with this.

Zoey2070 wrote:

i also think that proc is p quick to vote. hmm

Quick? We were +24 hours and 60 posts into the day? Tell me how that is "quick" by your standards. You are just finding excuses to accuse me at this point...

Zoey2070 wrote:

the other person who was RBed also isn't fessing up, so. creature didn't HAVE to confirm it, could have said she was lying. = muh chaos. i don't think creature's mafia.

If he didn't, calicara would be lynched tonight, creature would be lynched tomorrow. Are you always this shortsighted? I don't think so. This is very misleading, goddammit.

Zoey2070 wrote:

after making a p nice albeit probably unreadable graph

Let me point out that this is still very useless and isn't going to help us. (See how the old graph in game 3 also was useless)

Zoey2070 wrote:

tbt to when i didn't make a kill as an SK

Except we know that Anak probably RB'd someone and it is very likely that they hit the mafia.

This is my theory: Mafia swapped themselves with Tako to prevent any damage, but Anak actually roleblocked Tako, surprising them.

Zoey2070 wrote:

> don't post often consistently for four games (mostly because i'm lazy)
> still get called out for it
> mfw that's just how i play bc i have nothing valuable to input

Oh I'm so sorry but this is basically saying: "**** you town, I am going to make you lose this game sorry"
Very good attitude. You're totally giving me the towny vibes right now.

Zoey2070 wrote:

but right, i, the person who actually posts at least on occasion, is definitely more suspicious than the people who haven't posted at all

Are you kidding me? You are active on the forums and you are intentionally being super unhelpful. Your behavior is going to make town lose.

----

Zoey has 9 posts and 6 of them are useless.

Here is some meta on zoey:
In both games 1+2 when Zoey was scum, she was very inactive. Just like she is right now. In game 3, except during the last day, she was much more cooperative.
This strong disinterest in the game is very familiar:

!vote Zoey2070

Processor · 2016-02-13 12:45:07

If you read my review on Creature, you see I pointed out some faults in his play. Him making a lot of posts was not one of them.

Yes I make a lot of posts, yes they make sense. It doesn't mean that I am scum though.

I agree that we shouldn't be lynching people on their (in)activity, but if someone is inactive we have nothing else to analyse other than the fact that they are inactive.

Zoey is obviously lurking and she even admitted it herself. I believe we can read into that.

I think she knows herself that she often makes scumslips (she just implied that she is intentionally avoiding posts, another slip), which is why she is trying to post as little as possible.
She only has 3-4 useful posts, that is a lot more manageable than my ~50 posts.

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