What is your view on homosexuality?

Tako · Before February 2015

I do not find being gay disgusting. I understand it, and have no further questions as to why people are homosexuals. This is not my query.

What I can't understand is, why people are lead to believe homosexuality is what nature has intended out of humans.

RPGMaster2000 · Before February 2015

TakoMan02 wrote:

What I can't understand is, why people are lead to believe homosexuality is what nature has intended out of humans.

Well, this is news to me. I've never heard anyone make this claim.

To me, this is just as arrogant as assigning any other random explanation to something that mankind must stop making asinine assumptions about and admit that we don't fully understand it yet. Lack of explanation does not give anyone the right to make up their own explanations and claim it as fact.

Echo! · Before February 2015

I have nothing against any one for being gay, incest ,or zoophillia/beatality..
That's my view on the hole thing.. I have nothing against it.. It what ever you are attracted to.. No one can help the way some one feel about something... I understand and respect that

As long as it is because they really love the person.

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Pandapo · Before February 2015

Isn't this the ever during discussion between science and religion?
At start it was fun to read but now its kinda getting bored because I have already read thousands of this discussion between science and religion.

32OrtonEdge32dh · Before February 2015

Heterosexuality, homosexuality, and even pansexuality are obviously what nature intended because they happen. Everything that happens is what nature intends.

Tako · Before February 2015

@RPGMaster2000: Can you explain more? I'm having a hard time understanding that.

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Pandapo · Before February 2015

32OrtonEdge32 wrote:

Heterosexuality, homosexuality, and even pansexuality are obviously what nature intended because they happen. Everything that happens is what nature intends.

You can change the nature... Never watching the news?

BEE · Before February 2015

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhl9MLno424[/youtube]

I would be the man that gets up and takes the waiter aside.

And thats all I have to say about that.

RPGMaster2000 · Before February 2015

TakoMan02 wrote:

@RPGMaster2000: Can you explain more? I'm having a hard time understanding that.

Basically, my point was that people who say that "homosexuality is what X has intended" is a claim without any grounds in science. This makes those people just as arrogant as those who say that "homosexuality is a sin" because they are both doing the exact same thing: Making up their own labels and explanations because scientists have yet to explain the true nature of said trait.

Tako · Before February 2015

So there you have it. The scientific conclusion. Nobody knows if it is right or wrong.

Now, let's take this to a personal measure. As you yourself, RPGMaster2000, do you think people should or should not be in a relationship with the same sex?

BEE · Before February 2015

RPGMaster2000 wrote:

TakoMan02 wrote:
What I can't understand is, why people are lead to believe homosexuality is what nature has intended out of humans.
Well, this is news to me. I've never heard anyone make this claim.
To me, this is just as arrogant as assigning any other random explanation to something that mankind must stop making asinine assumptions about and admit that we don't fully understand it yet. Lack of explanation does not give anyone the right to make up their own explanations and claim it as fact.

Some people claim that because bonobos have homosexual relations then theres nothing wrong with us having it. Though Ive never heard of there being an INTENTION.

Nature has no intention.

Science's only intention is truth.

The only thing that has intention is humans and what they imply to whatever supernatural beings they believe in.

RPGMaster2000 · Before February 2015

TakoMan02 wrote:

So there you have it. The scientific conclusion. Nobody knows if it is right or wrong.
Now, let's take this to a personal measure. As you yourself, RPGMaster2000, do you think people should or should not be in a relationship with the same sex?

I fully support to 100% gay people's right to be in a same-sex relationship as they are people just like everyone else. Ones sexuality does not determine ones worth as a human being. I've heard lots of people say stuff like "it's bad for humanity" which usually just translates to "They are doing something that violates my world view, I must impose my own moral values on them on the grounds that I find them yucky!". That's just being silly.

BEE · Before February 2015

"it's bad for humanity"

Genetically speaking its bad for humanity in the sense that it "reduces" the number of children we have. However considering overpopulation problems, this is more of a solution than a problem. XD

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RPGMaster2000 · Before February 2015

BEE wrote:

"it's bad for humanity"
Genetically speaking its bad for humanity in the sense that it "reduces" the number of children we have. However considering overpopulation problems, this is more of a solution than a problem. XD

I actually brought that point up with my GF once, she just stared at me in disbelief as it's actually a rather farfetched argument.

Tako · Before February 2015

So, anything for the sake of love, eh?

RPGMaster2000 · Before February 2015

TakoMan02 wrote:

So, anything for the sake of love, eh?

Depends on your perspective, I guess. To homosexuals, same-sex relationships are just as natural to them as straight relationships are to heterosexuals.

BEE · Before February 2015

RPGMaster2000 wrote:

BEE wrote:
"it's bad for humanity"
Genetically speaking its bad for humanity in the sense that it "reduces" the number of children we have. However considering overpopulation problems, this is more of a solution than a problem. XD
I actually brought that point up with my GF once, she just stared at me in disbelief as it's actually a rather farfetched argument.

Well, yes it is a farfetched argument, but it holds more water than any other argument against homosexuality XD

RPGMaster2000 · Before February 2015

BEE wrote:

Well, yes it is a farfetched argument, but it holds more water than any other argument against homosexuality XD

That's a very good point, actually, considering that it's a completely valid view in science as well.

Tako · Before February 2015

Well, personally, I don't think people should do what they please to make themselves happy.

RPGMaster2000 · Before February 2015

TakoMan02 wrote:

Well, personally, I don't think people should do what they please to make themselves happy.

Well, that's... depressing. Why not?

Nou · Before February 2015

Takoman, why are you forcing YOUR moral beliefs on others? Morality is a cultural convention to begin with; it's artificial. Because people are raised with beliefs of the people around them they will most likely take these over rather than think for themselves. These are often ones of bias and restricted free thinking. Basically by frowning upon homosexuality you're contributing to oppression of innocent people. Homosexual people are people like others and they don't do anything to bother others so why do you consider them different? What if we start saying people with the nickname TakoMan02 should be whipped 10 times a day because multiple think so? That's basically what this all boils down to: pointless oppression.

Additionally, please remove that ridiculously biased thing from your signature; there is no matter of right or wrong, just open-mindedness and close-mindedness.

Lastly, what were you thinking starting a topic on this on the forum of a kids' game?

Tako · Before February 2015

@Nou: I understand that this is strictly my opinion. I was never trying to force my hand upon anyone here, just simply providing an opinion and explaining myself. I believe I said a similar thing earlier, to RPG. "Imagine there's a 'In my opinion' in front of all my sentences"

@RPG: It's self-centered.

Do what makes OTHER people happy and I think this world will see extreme improvements.

Last edited by Tako (Jun 6 2011 5:25:03 pm)

BEE · Before February 2015

TakoMan02 wrote:

It's self-centered.
Do what makes OTHER people happy and I think this world will see extreme improvements.

Tako, when I have time remind me to have a conversation with you about self loating and abuse victims. I hope that in the future you will never have to deal with either, but once you have, you wil understand that we cannot make other people happy, but only owe them respect in our own journey toward happiness.

RPGMaster2000 · Before February 2015

TakoMan02 wrote:

It's self-centered.
Do what makes OTHER people happy and I think this world will see extreme improvements.

Well, this kind of introduces a paradox, don't you think?

People = Must always make other people happy.

Happiness = An inherently selfish feeling by your definition

People + Happiness = Divide by zero.

There is nothing wrong with pursuing happiness, it's what makes life worth living. It's also worth nothing that there is no such thing as an unselfish act. Many people feel great pleasure when helping other out, so to a certain extent, they are doing it to feel good about themselves.

Tako · Before February 2015

Happiness is not a selfish feeling. Seeking it is the selfish part.

Last edited by Tako (Jun 6 2011 5:26:58 pm)

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