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Re: Occupy Wall Street, et al

Twipply, you really need your signature as this

really, this is great.

Tako

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Re: Occupy Wall Street, et al

As with most other movements, they know what they want, and quite frankly it's a good thing to want, but they're handling it completely wrong. I'm sorry, but yelling at a bunch of police officers and being on the news won't get anything solved like they'd hoped.

If they want to fulfill their mission in "fighting back against the corrosive power of major banks and multinational corporations over the democratic process, and the role of Wall Street in creating an economic collapse that has caused the greatest recession in generations" then they need to create an alternative to what people on Wall Street want, or show them the error of their ways and why what they love doing for so long is completely incorrect and that they should abandon their moral standards.

Yelling at them, I'm sorry, won't do anything except get yourself hurt. And in hindsight, it makes them look like idiots how they handle situations.

The overall motivation they have is based on troubles today, but I do not think the economy will stay this way forever. A horrible economy affects everyone, rich and poor. I'm afraid we're just too stuck in the old ways to stop caring about money in the blink of an eye, so we'll have to let the economy reach maximum decentives before they decide to give a damn.

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Yeah, well, you know that's just like, uh, your opinion, man.

xputnameherex

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*sigh*

You are not even from the US. Why do you feel that you know all about this movement.

You also say the poor are stuck as that. The poor. That is not true at all. Yes, it is harder for them to make a living. Does that mean it is impossible?

Tako

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Re: Occupy Wall Street, et al

*sigh*

You are not even from the US. Why do you feel that you know all about this movement.

Not to intrude on you + Twipp's conversation, but there's a giant banner on their homepage that reads:

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Yeah, well, you know that's just like, uh, your opinion, man.

xputnameherex

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Ahh, very well. In that case, I my half of the conversation has been pertaining to the USA. I kind of assumed that it was contained here. (It is called Occupy "Wall Street" after all.)

So yes, maybe Twipply has been right pertaining to wherever else it may be going on, as far as I am concerned however, in the USA it is about getting a more socialist government.

Twipply

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I do dislike it when more posts are added while I prepare my reply.

*sigh*

You are not even from the US. Why do you feel that you know all about this movement.

Occupy movements seem to appear in several other countries.
I never claimed I knew all about it.
Why do you apparently think I must be American to be educated on the matter?   As far as I can tell, it's quite the opposite right now.

You also say the poor are stuck as that. The poor. That is not true at all. Yes, it is harder for them to make a living. Does that mean it is impossible?

I didn't really say that at all, assuming you're referring to me in particular.   Are you familiar with women's rights?   How about slavery?   Well sure, it was harder for them to make a living, but it wasn't impossible, right?   I mean, just look at this starving African child, it's not impossible for him to make a living!   Maybe he could attack and eat that vulture behind him, which actually seems to have a very similar concept in mind already.   Why should he get to try fight for a better, more equal world?

So yes, maybe Twipply has been right pertaining to wherever else it may be going on, as far as I am concerned however, in the USA it is about getting a more socialist government.

How they wish to influence the government is out of my interest range to have any real comment on the matter.

Edit: Oh, and if you're now willing to restate your corrected views on the matter, I'd be happy to try and take them seriously.

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xputnameherex

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Hmm...a starving African Child. That is definitely the same for these people, as most of them, at least in the US, are in the top 20-15 percent of the world.

And as I said -pertaining to your first quote- I then realized that.

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Twipply

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Hmm...a starving African Child. That is definitely the same for these people, as most of them, at least in the US, are in the top 20-15 percent of the world. Not the 99%.

Your point was that while it's harder, it's not impossible.   I took that to absurdity.   I said nothing about women's rights, slaves, starving Africans, or the people supporting occupy movements being the same in any way.   As for them being in the top 15-20 percent, I have no idea about that.   Care to support your claim with a source?

And as I said -pertaining to your first quote- I then realized that.

I know, and that's fine.   I only kept it in because I'd already typed it.

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Tako

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What? No voice on my opinion? What am I, chopped liver?

:<

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Twipply

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What? No voice on my opinion? What am I, chopped liver?

:<

Forgive me.   I'd actually typed something up for you but then the other guy replied and I got sidetracked.   It's quite late and I'm going to bed now, so this short version may have to do.

As with most other movements, they know what they want, and quite frankly it's a good thing to want, but they're handling it completely wrong. I'm sorry, but yelling at a bunch of police officers and being on the news won't get anything solved like they'd hoped.

They're not shouting at police officers, they're protesting.   This may will include shouting, even at officers, but putting it the way you did is a touch misleading.   I also suspect being on the news helps spread information about their cause, thus helping them try get things solved.

If they want to fulfill their mission in "fighting back against the corrosive power of major banks and multinational corporations over the democratic process, and the role of Wall Street in creating an economic collapse that has caused the greatest recession in generations" then they need to create an alternative to what people on Wall Street want, or show them the error of their ways and why what they love doing for so long is completely incorrect and that they should abandon their moral standards.

Doesn't drawing mass attention to the wrongs committed help show them the error of their ways?   Although, I suspect they're more interested in the government taking action than the bankers and so called '1%' themselves.

Yelling at them, I'm sorry, won't do anything except get yourself hurt. And in hindsight, it makes them look like idiots how they handle situations.

Yelling at them does not get them hurt, police brutality does that.

The overall motivation they have is based on troubles today, but I do not think the economy will stay this way forever. A horrible economy affects everyone, rich and poor. I'm afraid we're just too stuck in the old ways to stop caring about money in the blink of an eye, so we'll have to let the economy reach maximum decentives before they decide to give a damn.

It may effect everyone, but 50% left over from $1m is far more than from $1k.

xputnameherex

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Hmm...a starving African Child. That is definitely the same for these people, as most of them, at least in the US, are in the top 20-15 percent of the world. Not the 99%.

Your point was that while it's harder, it's not impossible.   I took that to absurdity.   I said nothing about women's rights, slaves, starving Africans, or the people supporting occupy movements being the same in any way.   As for them being in the top 15-20 percent, I have no idea about that.   Care to support your claim with a source?

And as I said -pertaining to your first quote- I then realized that.

I know, and that's fine.   I only kept it in because I'd already typed it.

http://www.globalrichlist.com/

Go there and enter 2491 US dollars. That is the minimum they get out of taxes.

What? No voice on my opinion? What am I, chopped liver?

:<

Forgive me.

And I laughed at this :]

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Tako

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Re: Occupy Wall Street, et al

As with most other movements, they know what they want, and quite frankly it's a good thing to want, but they're handling it completely wrong. I'm sorry, but yelling at a bunch of police officers and being on the news won't get anything solved like they'd hoped.

They're not shouting at police officers, they're protesting.   This may will include shouting, even at officers, but putting it the way you did is a touch misleading.   I also suspect being on the news helps spread information about their cause, thus helping them try get things solved.

Attention and spreading the word solves issues? I guess, to an extent it can. With more publicity they have more agreement, thus strengthening the importance. However, a more productive strategy would be to propose a solution, not just complain about it.

I haven't really read up on this movement, do they have a solution to the corrosive power of banks and other the wealthy and their alleged destruction of the economy?

Considering Congress and the White House, making them aware of the issue is like putting something at the bottom of their laundry list of problems in America that need solutions.

If they want to fulfill their mission in "fighting back against the corrosive power of major banks and multinational corporations over the democratic process, and the role of Wall Street in creating an economic collapse that has caused the greatest recession in generations" then they need to create an alternative to what people on Wall Street want, or show them the error of their ways and why what they love doing for so long is completely incorrect and that they should abandon their moral standards.

Doesn't drawing mass attention to the wrongs committed help show them the error of their ways?   Although, I suspect they're more interested in the government taking action than the bankers and so called '1%' themselves.

Oh I'm sure they wealthy and powerful know what they're doing. And they're perfectly okay with it, because after all, it earns them more money. 'Who cares if it takes from the poor? They need to learn how to be richer like us.'

Like I said in the previous statements, government = slow and stupid. Providing a solution = faster and smarter than leaving it in the hands of the government to decide and take action.

Yelling at them, I'm sorry, won't do anything except get yourself hurt. And in hindsight, it makes them look like idiots how they handle situations.

Yelling at them does not get them hurt, police brutality does that.

Well they pepper-sprayed an 80-yo woman because she was protesting, I consider that a direct consequence of yelling at people. It's not self-inflicted pain, no, but it is a result of actions caused by our lovely pigs, the police. :>

The overall motivation they have is based on troubles today, but I do not think the economy will stay this way forever. A horrible economy affects everyone, rich and poor. I'm afraid we're just too stuck in the old ways to stop caring about money in the blink of an eye, so we'll have to let the economy reach maximum decentives before they decide to give a damn.

It may effect everyone, but 50% left over from $1m is far more than from $1k.

The rich don't need to drop down to the poor's level of income, they just need to lose a significant amount. If someone is making $1m a year and they lose 50% yearly, I think they would want to stop it just as much as the poorer folks.

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Yeah, well, you know that's just like, uh, your opinion, man.

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Re: Occupy Wall Street, et al

Really really small timeline :
- 18 December 2010 - 14 January 2011 : Revolution in Tunisia
- 25 January 2011 - 11 February 2011 : Revolution in Egypt
- 17 February 2011 - 23 October 2011 : Revolution in Lybia
- 15 May 2011 - ? : beginning of the "indignados movement".
- 15 October 2011 - ? : Beginning of the "#occupy" movement.

Interesting links :
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interac … e-timeline
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Revolution_2011
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Spanish_protests
http://crimethinc.com/texts/recentfeatures/barc.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_Street
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_movement
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Oc … _locations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_for_Outrage!

And just "for the lulz" :

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Twipply

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Re: Occupy Wall Street, et al

http://www.globalrichlist.com/

Go there and enter 2491 US dollars. That is the minimum they get out of taxes.

Nice site, although I question the importance of their wealth on a worldwide scale.

Attention and spreading the word solves issues? I guess, to an extent it can. With more publicity they have more agreement, thus strengthening the importance. However, a more productive strategy would be to propose a solution, not just complain about it.

I haven't really read up on this movement, do they have a solution to the corrosive power of banks and other the wealthy and their alleged destruction of the economy?

Considering Congress and the White House, making them aware of the issue is like putting something at the bottom of their laundry list of problems in America that need solutions.

I said the attention and support they get through the news and so on helps them get what they want, not that it does.   I don't know if they have solutions for the problems, and I don't know if they should be expected to have anything more than an outline.   Not everyone there is going to have a degree in economics or anything else that's relevant, so I don't see a problem with letting the government figure out the specifics based upon their overall goals.

Like I said in the previous statements, government = slow and stupid. Providing a solution = faster and smarter than leaving it in the hands of the government to decide and take action.

Don't forget that the 'slow and stupid' government would have to implement any plan they came up with, as well as likely spend a lot of time reviewing it.

And just "for the lulz" :
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They gave the 99% Texas?   Those monsters.

xputnameherex

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You were comparing them to a starving African Child, someone who would be in the lowest percentile.

Twipply

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You were comparing them to a starving African Child, someone who would be in the lowest percentile.

What I did was look at what you said and took it to absurd levels.   It seemed like you were claiming that because it's not impossible then it's okay or they shouldn't complain or protest about it.   If this isn't what you intended to convey, then feel free to clarify.

xputnameherex

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I shall clarify. I didn't say that when something is possible, it is easily done. However, in the case of these protesters, they have a great opportunity to find jobs and get along in the world.

treejoe4

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I shall clarify. I didn't say that when something is possible, it is easily done. However, in the case of these protesters, they have a great opportunity to find jobs and get along in the world.

Completely missed the point, they are protesting for a reason not because they want stuff quicker.

xputnameherex

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? That is not what I said at all.

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Well, I'm going to occupy my chair.

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TheGreenTroll

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I haven't really read up on this movement, do they have a solution to the corrosive power of banks and other the wealthy and their alleged destruction of the economy?

Regulate the banks and increase the taxes for the richest?

EndlessWorlds

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http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/ne … ndex.html#

You think the occupiers want a socialist government? Ha!

xputnameherex

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http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/ne … ndex.html#

You think the occupiers want a socialist government? Ha!

How on Earth does that prove that they don't want a socialist government?