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Re: Religion and its Impact

I am making a new religion. It is called Lasercarrotlollity.

A very long time ago there was a flying carrot that could shoot lasers. He created the entire world. The end.

The very sad truth is that this theory has equal, if not more, evidence as Christianity and the like.

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Re: Religion and its Impact

This argument has no end, as there is no proof God exists but there is no proof God doesn't exist.

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'Cept that you cannot defy the laws of physics, period. No one can, no one ever will, so your arguement is invalid.

Lol you basically just said, "No, you're wrong, and I'm right. Therefore, you're wrong." See the issue there? It's impossible for an argument to invalid, even if it's proven false (which, might I add, you didn't do).

I didn't feel like writing anything lengthy, sorry. I just really wanted to use 'your arguement is invalid'.

But you can't defy the laws of physics, just no. I personally can't explain how you can't, it's just, you can't. It's not possible. Plain and simple. It's just one of the given facts of life. Like how there's no such thing has magic in the sense of Harry Potter, and how you can't travel through time unless you go faster than light which isn't even possible because it doesn't make sense.

I (personally) can't even comprehend breaking physical laws. It's causing a BSOD in my brain.
And nothingishere2, I don't mean the actual written laws of physics, I mean the absolute truth of the universe whether we know it or not.

Earth gravity dictates that if you jump up you will be pulled towards Earth's core and stopped by the ground. No human being can jump up and not be pulled back down by gravity while standing on Earth while jumping with regular human legs and not super bionic legs that can have you jump out of orbit or something.
It's not possible. You simply can't do it. You can't walk on water without aide or turn water into wine in an instant with only your mind or whatever.

Also, here's something fun for you:
People lie. That is, the bible could be completely fabricated by a liar. I'm not saying it is, I'm just saying it's possible.

First of all...

Quantum Mechanics defy the laws of physics, and we have teleported things. Also, simply moving faster than the speed of light is not teleporting.

And, as a flaw in your jumping thing (just because I want to), what if the guy jumped, then got hit by a rocket which brought them into space! 1xd1

And there are animals who can walk on water.

As for actually responding, that is your belief that people cannot do that stuff, it is billions of other people's beliefs that someone can, and did.

And TakoMan: No, you really should read the whole Bible before you constitute one thing as the entire thing.

Supadorf: No, it has much, much, much, much, much less proof. Let me explain.

1. One person believes in it, compared to billions.

2. Carrots have no brains. (realize how I do not deny the lazor part, just the brains)

3. Do you have, say, a book that says all this?

4. Miracles, by any chance?

5. Too lazy to go on.

And SquadFS: Correct.

nothingishere2: TOo lazy to read, especially in that I am assuming it does not regard me.

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Re: Religion and its Impact

Lol you basically just said, "No, you're wrong, and I'm right. Therefore, you're wrong." See the issue there? It's impossible for an argument to invalid, even if it's proven false (which, might I add, you didn't do).

I didn't feel like writing anything lengthy, sorry. I just really wanted to use 'your arguement is invalid'.

But you can't defy the laws of physics, just no. I personally can't explain how you can't, it's just, you can't. It's not possible. Plain and simple. It's just one of the given facts of life. Like how there's no such thing has magic in the sense of Harry Potter, and how you can't travel through time unless you go faster than light which isn't even possible because it doesn't make sense.

I (personally) can't even comprehend breaking physical laws. It's causing a BSOD in my brain.
And nothingishere2, I don't mean the actual written laws of physics, I mean the absolute truth of the universe whether we know it or not.

Earth gravity dictates that if you jump up you will be pulled towards Earth's core and stopped by the ground. No human being can jump up and not be pulled back down by gravity while standing on Earth while jumping with regular human legs and not super bionic legs that can have you jump out of orbit or something.
It's not possible. You simply can't do it. You can't walk on water without aide or turn water into wine in an instant with only your mind or whatever.

Also, here's something fun for you:
People lie. That is, the bible could be completely fabricated by a liar. I'm not saying it is, I'm just saying it's possible.

First of all...

Quantum Mechanics defy the laws of physics, and we have teleported things. Also, simply moving faster than the speed of light is not teleporting.

And, as a flaw in your jumping thing (just because I want to), what if the guy jumped, then got hit by a rocket which brought them into space! 1xd1

And there are animals who can walk on water.

As for actually responding, that is your belief that people cannot do that stuff, it is billions of other people's beliefs that someone can, and did.

I'm far too lazy at the moment to look up quantum mechanics, and I'm pretty sure Twipply debated about teleportation before.

That doesn't even make sense. How could someone be hit by a rocket going into space, considering rockets are huge. He couldn't jump that high to be hit by the rocket, and even if he did he'd be impaled and then probably slide off due to the speed.

I didn't say FTL travel was teleporting, I said it was time traveling. As in, traveling through time. Which I don't think is possible either. I once wrote a rant involving time travel while I was writing my novel, and it turned out to be foreshadowing but the time travel didn't make any sense because seriously, it was stupid and just to get to fifty thousand. Either way, I'm not going to look for that rant.

I said humans without aid. Pretty sure Jesus wasn't a salamander.

I know that, I'm just saying that their beliefs don't make much sense, and it makes me wonder if they believe it because they've put some actual thought into it, or if it was things their parents told them that they never learned to disbelieve. Like Santa. 'Cept most people don't actually believe in Santa.

...Why is teleport considered misspelled on this spell checker?

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I didn't feel like writing anything lengthy, sorry. I just really wanted to use 'your arguement is invalid'.

But you can't defy the laws of physics, just no. I personally can't explain how you can't, it's just, you can't. It's not possible. Plain and simple. It's just one of the given facts of life. Like how there's no such thing has magic in the sense of Harry Potter, and how you can't travel through time unless you go faster than light which isn't even possible because it doesn't make sense.

I (personally) can't even comprehend breaking physical laws. It's causing a BSOD in my brain.
And nothingishere2, I don't mean the actual written laws of physics, I mean the absolute truth of the universe whether we know it or not.

Earth gravity dictates that if you jump up you will be pulled towards Earth's core and stopped by the ground. No human being can jump up and not be pulled back down by gravity while standing on Earth while jumping with regular human legs and not super bionic legs that can have you jump out of orbit or something.
It's not possible. You simply can't do it. You can't walk on water without aide or turn water into wine in an instant with only your mind or whatever.

Also, here's something fun for you:
People lie. That is, the bible could be completely fabricated by a liar. I'm not saying it is, I'm just saying it's possible.

First of all...

Quantum Mechanics defy the laws of physics, and we have teleported things. Also, simply moving faster than the speed of light is not teleporting.

And, as a flaw in your jumping thing (just because I want to), what if the guy jumped, then got hit by a rocket which brought them into space! 1xd1

And there are animals who can walk on water.

As for actually responding, that is your belief that people cannot do that stuff, it is billions of other people's beliefs that someone can, and did.

I'm far too lazy at the moment to look up quantum mechanics, and I'm pretty sure Twipply debated about teleportation before.

That doesn't even make sense. How could someone be hit by a rocket going into space, considering rockets are huge. He couldn't jump that high to be hit by the rocket, and even if he did he'd be impaled and then probably slide off due to the speed.

I didn't say FTL travel was teleporting, I said it was time traveling. As in, traveling through time. Which I don't think is possible either. I once wrote a rant involving time travel while I was writing my novel, and it turned out to be foreshadowing but the time travel didn't make any sense because seriously, it was stupid and just to get to fifty thousand. Either way, I'm not going to look for that rant.

I said humans without aid. Pretty sure Jesus wasn't a salamander.

I know that, I'm just saying that their beliefs don't make much sense, and it makes me wonder if they believe it because they've put some actual thought into it, or if it was things their parents told them that they never learned to disbelieve. Like Santa. 'Cept most people don't actually believe in Santa.

...Why is teleport considered misspelled on this spell checker?

Believe me, we debated that, in the end though, no progress was made for either of us, and it is still considered teleportation.

The rocket was in a silo and came up out of the ground, the person was impaled in such a way that they didn't slide off. XD.

Ah, you did say time travel, my mistake.

You never said human regarding that example. .

Remember, those were all just silly little things I felt like adding.

Alright, if you understand that people believe something, stop saying things like, "it is physically impossible", or "no one can do that", or anything like that. Notice how I haven't been saying anything like "Jesus was the Messiah." except in an example or something. And many people do actually think about the things, and, yes, many other people just follow what their parents say, which doesn't matter anyway. (Never, never, talk about Santa on the internet, that is one of the real rule. XD)

And yeah, Ik, it got really annoying in that last debate about Quantum Mechanics how teleport was considered wrong. XD

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Re: Religion and its Impact

'Cept that you cannot defy the laws of physics, period. No one can, no one ever will, so your arguement is invalid.

Lol you basically just said, "No, you're wrong, and I'm right. Therefore, you're wrong." See the issue there? It's impossible for an argument to invalid, even if it's proven false (which, might I add, you didn't do).

I didn't feel like writing anything lengthy, sorry. I just really wanted to use 'your arguement is invalid'.

But you can't defy the laws of physics, just no. I personally can't explain how you can't, it's just, you can't. It's not possible. Plain and simple. It's just one of the given facts of life. Like how there's no such thing has magic in the sense of Harry Potter, and how you can't travel through time unless you go faster than light which isn't even possible because it doesn't make sense.

I (personally) can't even comprehend breaking physical laws. It's causing a BSOD in my brain.
And nothingishere2, I don't mean the actual written laws of physics, I mean the absolute truth of the universe whether we know it or not.

Earth gravity dictates that if you jump up you will be pulled towards Earth's core and stopped by the ground. No human being can jump up and not be pulled back down by gravity while standing on Earth while jumping with regular human legs and not super bionic legs that can have you jump out of orbit or something.
It's not possible. You simply can't do it. You can't walk on water without aide or turn water into wine in an instant with only your mind or whatever.

Also, here's something fun for you:
People lie. That is, the bible could be completely fabricated by a liar. I'm not saying it is, I'm just saying it's possible.

You can travel through time, we just haven't done so yet.

Also, the laws of physics are possibly different across the universe.

BillyP

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Re: Religion and its Impact

1. One person believes in it, compared to billions.

How does that make a difference whatsoever? Billions of people believe that the world is over four billion years old, yet religious people still continue to deny this.

3. Do you have, say, a book that says all this?

Do you have, say, proof that this 'book' is not fictitious?

4. Miracles, by any chance?

Do you have any proof that these miracles actually happened, by any chance?

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xputnameherex

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Re: Religion and its Impact

1. One person believes in it, compared to billions.

How does that make a difference whatsoever? Billions of people believe that the world is over four billion years old, yet religious people still continue to deny this.

3. Do you have, say, a book that says all this?

Do you have, say, proof that this 'book' is not fictitious?

4. Miracles, by any chance?

Do you have any proof that these miracles actually happened, by any chance?

Put it this way:

7 Billion People believe that Stairs are nooby.

1 person doesn't.

Which is going to be considered correct?

And what religious people deny that the world is that old?

I have proof, that you would dismiss as lies. For both the book and miracles.

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Re: Religion and its Impact

You people are dumb. You're debating somethin that can't be proved or disproved. Argue about Evolution/Creationism. Double time, chop chop! *Claps hands twice quickly*

D-rock2308

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3. Do you have, say, a book that says all this?

Writing a book about religion suddenly makes it true?

krubby

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Re: Religion and its Impact

EE is an atheistic game. Here's my infallible logic:
1. God has 3 letters in His name
2. 3 is a magic number, so God is magic
3. As biologists who focus in the horse family have proven through testing, magic is friendship
4. God is friendship
5. There is no friend system in EE
6. EE is atheistic

Now that that's over with, into the van everyone, we're going to IHOP! Except T. Prune who has been given a time out. Naughty, naughty.

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BillyP

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Re: Religion and its Impact

Put it this way:

7 Billion People believe that Stairs are nooby.

1 person doesn't.

Which is going to be considered correct?

Neither. There is no proof that stairs are 'nooby'. Furthermore, how would something being 'nooby' be justified in the first place?

And what religious people deny that the world is that old?

These people seem pretty confident to deny that.

I have proof, that you would dismiss as lies. For both the book and miracles.

I would not deny anything that had evidence for its existence.   What I would do, however, is apply logic, science, and reason to it in the aim of understanding.   I would not turn to the lord of ignorance and thank him for his blessings.   I suspect the 'true' reason you won't link to anything because you'd get laughed at.

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Re: Religion and its Impact

An interesting tidbit I learned about in my world history class: Where did Moses (one of the lead authors of the Bible) spend most of his life? ...Egypt, was it? Has anyone noticed how similar Egyptian polytheism is to Christianity/Judaism?

Well, let me begin by saying Egyptians had multiple gods, that is one big difference. But, the Book of the Dead (their "bible", so-to-speak) does not say you must worship them all - just the one that protects your city-state.

Second, the head-honcho of Egyptian polytheism is Osiris. You know, he was sacrificed to protect the humans. Then brought back to life to live in the "heavenly" part of the underworld.

Third, the Book of the Dead speaks of "rules" you should follow if you don't want to go to the hellish part of the Underworld. These five should sound familiar:

O swallower of shades who comes from the cavern     //I have not stolen O flaming faced who comes from Rosetjau	         //I have not killed anyone O breaker of bones who comes from Henennesut	    //I have not told lies O Wamemty who comes from the tribunal	           //I have not slept with a man?s wife O weak one who comes from Andjety	               //I have not sued except for my own

It may also be of useful information if I told you Moses "heard" the commandments after 3 months in Egypt. Hmph.

Fourth, the Book of the Dead [after you complete your deadly tasks] speaks of a "judging" in which your heart is weighed against the "Feather of Truth" - this decides whether or not you go to the Underworld or Paradise.

If any of you think the History channel is a moderately reliable source, they even say themselves that Christianity/Judaism was greatly influenced from Egyptian polytheism. This not only brings up skepticism concerning the validity and integrity of the Bible's origins (herr derr translation: they copy!) but also brings up the possibility that Christianity is only a branch of Egyptian polytheism - ironic given how false we prove that religion to be.

God? He's a theory - fine.
Creation of the Earth, matter and the universe? That's a theory - fine.
Man being created from the "dirt of the earth" and women being created from "the rib of Adam"? That's false - not fine.
The earth is 6000 years old? That's a theory, but you're skimming the rim of being false.

The big bang theory? That's a theory too (duh) - which is just as religious as Christianity by itself.

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Twipply

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Laws of the universe that can be broken are not laws.   Science is best.   Religion is not.

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@nothingishere2: I'm not entirely sure what you were talking about when you @'d me.

@krubby: lol.

Billyp: What is considered correct?Not even .000001% of everyone on Earth would believe in that. You know why Greek and Roman Mythology and others is no carely considered a religion anymore? And stairs being nooby was just an example...

Yes, you would deny something that has evidence, because what I consider evidence, you consider lies, simple as that. It is part of your belief that it is lies, and it is part of mine that they are true.

@Takoman: I thought you said you read the major parts of the Bible?

Twipply: Your belief.

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Twipply

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Twipply: Your belief.

Also known as logic and reason.

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@xputnameherex: Yes. And? Did I incorrectly quote the Bible somewhere? I don't believe I did.

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Jaybm

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Re: Religion and its Impact

I am making a new religion. It is called Lasercarrotlollity.

A very long time ago there was a flying carrot that could shoot lasers. He created the entire world. The end.

The very sad truth is that this theory has equal, if not more, evidence as Christianity and the like.

Umm no actually, Carrots were not domesticated until around A.D. 200, the Neolithic era, so technically it can be disproven, while christianity can not.

While people beleive in evolution, God, and "logic", all of the ideas can seem silly in a way. What you call "logic" can be thought of as stupid by christians, and vise versa. Many evolutionists and atheist can't see past the "magic man make earth, impossible", if you look into the bible there is a form of "proof" to christians. Many Come christians can't see past "monkey turn into man, impossible", so they seem unreal to one another, but when christians look into science, they start to understand evolution more, then maybe they could believe in both.

Regardless to if the bible is a lie or not, it still has good practices, ideas, and morals. So i encourage everyone to read the bible of course, but i cant make you believe, that is up to you.

The whole point of religion, is that you dont need proof, its called faith

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Re: Religion and its Impact

I am making a new religion. It is called Lasercarrotlollity.

A very long time ago there was a flying carrot that could shoot lasers. He created the entire world. The end.

The very sad truth is that this theory has equal, if not more, evidence as Christianity and the like.

Umm no actually, Carrots were not domesticated until around A.D. 200, the Neolithic era, so technically it can be disproven, while christianity can not.

While people beleive in evolution, God, and "logic", all of the ideas can seem silly in a way. What you call "logic" can be thought of as stupid by christians, and vise versa. Many evolutionists and atheist can't see past the "magic man make earth, impossible", if you look into the bible there is a form of "proof" to christians. Many Come christians can't see past "monkey turn into man, impossible", so they seem unreal to one another, but when christians look into science, they start to understand evolution more, then maybe they could believe in both.

Regardless to if the bible is a lie or not, it still has good practices, ideas, and morals. So i encourage everyone to read the bible of course, but i cant make you believe, that is up to you.

The whole point of religion, is that you dont need proof, its called faith

Well someone didn't do their research on Lasercarrotlollity. The most famous verse from the Book of the Lasercarrotlollity is as follows:
Carrot 3, 16
" For the Flying Carrot whom Shot Lasers From Eyes so loved the world that he gave his one and only Laser Carrot Son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not spoil but have eternal Vitamin A. "

As you can see here, Lasercarrot created the Earth and then gave his son to the world in the Neolithic era. Duuh.

On a more serious note (concerning the other parts of your post), I find it very hard to see how one could believe the Human Race originated through evolution and through Adam being created from dirt and mud, then Eve. A local variable named 'evolution' is already defined in this scope :000

Plus, not to be rude or anything, but it doesn't matter how Christians view science. Science is nothing more than true explanations of the world around us accepted by billions of people. Not "that atom physic stuff monkey turn to human" area of study. It may be your choice to refuse pure fact - and trust me, many people do - but then it turns into an issue of moral integrity. Are you intelligent enough to accept fact?

A few thousand years ago with the homo erectus (OH WAIT LOL THEY DIDN'T EXIST) they might not have registered fact as quickly as we do today, e.g; when they get burned by a fire it may take a few more tries before it registers that fire == hot == bad. Refusing logic and fact is, in a sense, acting not only unintelligent but also primitive.

Anything that requires faith is fine - as long as science doesn't say otherwise. That is my one and only problem; science saying A (and can back it up with pure evidence) and religion (in particular, the Bible-worshipers) saying B (with no evidence at all).

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Twipply

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I find it very hard to see how one could believe the Human Race originated through evolution

Scientific evidence?   Fossils, genetics, the fact it actually makes logical sense?   Tell me where you find a problem and I'll tell you why it's wrong.

A few thousand years ago with the homo erectus (OH WAIT LOL THEY DIDN'T EXIST)

Strange that bones have been identified as Homo erectus but they never existed.

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Jaybm

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Well someone didn't do their research on Lasercarrotlollity. The most famous verse from the Book of the Lasercarrotlollity is as follows:
Carrot 3, 16
" For the Flying Carrot whom Shot Lasers From Eyes so loved the world that he gave his one and only Laser Carrot Son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not spoil but have eternal Vitamin A. "

As you can see here, Lasercarrot created the Earth and then gave his son to the world in the Neolithic era. Duuh.

Ohh i see now, then the lasercarrot son was eaten by angry bunnies.

On a more serious note (concerning the other parts of your post), I find it very hard to see how one could believe the Human Race originated through evolution and through Adam being created from dirt and mud, then Eve. A local variable named 'evolution' is already defined in this scope :000

I never said this. My personal belief (i read this in a book) is that God created Earth, and both christians and others believe that animals are constantly changing. Agreed? I believe that Earth has not been around long enough for evolution to happen. So yes i believe in evolution, i just dont believe it has happened yet. Some people say that the earth is old and that "7 days" could of been alot longer back then, than it is now. So   therefore, there was enough time for evolution to happen during those seven days (not my belief). So i never said i believed in human creation, through evolution.

Plus, not to be rude or anything, but it doesn't matter how Christians view science. Science is nothing more than true explanations of the world around us accepted by billions of people. Not "that atom physic stuff monkey turn to human" area of study. It may be your choice to refuse pure fact - and trust me, many people do - but then it turns into an issue of moral integrity. Are you intelligent enough to accept fact?

A few thousand years ago with the homo erectus (OH WAIT LOL THEY DIDN'T EXIST) they might not have registered fact as quickly as we do today, e.g; when they get burned by a fire it may take a few more tries before it registers that fire == hot == bad. Refusing logic and fact is, in a sense, acting not only unintelligent but also primitive.

I think you may have misread something, this is not what i meant at all. I am very open minded to new theories and especially science. That is why i say i believe in evolution (bla bla bla said this already)... Im not refusing logic at all, but when it comes to religion, "logic and science" just doesn't seem right to me sometimes. Plus, i never said in my first post that evolution was my belief, i never said any of that was my belief, I was just making a statement. My belief is (bla bla bla already said). There is a fine line between rejected any form of science and simply disagreeing with creation of humanity, through evolution. If you somehow thought that i was rejecting face, i apologize, because this was not my intention at all.

Anything that requires faith is fine - as long as science doesn't say otherwise. That is my one and only problem; science saying A (and can back it up with pure evidence) and religion (in particular, the Bible-worshipers) saying B (with no evidence at all).

Well, there has been some proof of a God, but not necessarily pure evidence. I actually was once told, that it has been proven that there is a god through math: http://io9.com/5805775/proof-of-the-exi … n-on-paper

Twipply

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I believe that Earth has not been around long enough for evolution to happen. So yes i believe in evolution, i just dont believe it has happened yet.

How are ~4.54 billion years not long enough for something to happen when we have insurmountable proof to show that it has and does happen?

Here's the first link I found that contained my favourite example, thankfully ranked at number 1.

Jaybm

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I believe that Earth has not been around long enough for evolution to happen. So yes i believe in evolution, i just dont believe it has happened yet.

How are ~4.54 billion years not long enough for something to happen when we have insurmountable proof to show that it has and does happen?

Here's the first link I found that contained my favourite example, thankfully ranked at number 1.

Ok, just a question, so if the world has been around only 4.54 billion years, how do you know that radio active decay was the exact same as it is today? This sounds similar to the carbon dating theory. How do we know that the amount of carbon in the atmosphere is the same as it today? Odds are, like you say, things like that would change over 4.54 billion years? So there is still no fact of the earth being 4.54 billion years old (i learned this in a book). Here is a link: http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/carbondating.html

Dont trust everything you see on wikipedia

In response to Jaybm: Yes! We should find compromise somewhere instead of picking pointless fights. Do we really need to fight about this when there are plenty of wars, famine, and disease killing us? It's all about perspective and interpretation. The evolution of primates is thought to be fact by some, and might prove to be fact if we can find the "missing link" instead of placing coincidental events together and trying to hunt down Bigfoot. I'm open to science and I'm open to religion.
In response to TakoMan02: I already explained Adam and Eve in my first response to you. Science= a branch of Knowledge dealing with certain truths and like. "Evolution" as I think that's what you're talking about, is a topic of biology, which is the science of life. So how are these not directly intertwined? They both go back to knowledge. Isn't a religion an attempt to know why things are how they are? Can't that too be construed as a branch of knowledge? If this is true (which many of you will deny, because you can't stand science and religion coexisting), aren't science and religion the offspring of knowledge itself (metaphorically speaking)! A fact is something known to have actually existed, so I don't deny that at all, but the "missing link is not a fact is it? It will not be a fact until evidence is discovered that proves its existence. All I'm saying is that fact is not solid, in the sense that it is always changing and many people (not necessarily religious) deny it for that reason. I am not one of them.
Instead of homo erectus (which is far more recent in the human's evolutionary charts therefore closer to modern knowledge), shouldn't you use something like Australopithecus Afarensis? Religious conviction in a higher authority isn't the only definition of faith. Faith can be confidence or trust in another person or even a set of laws. So does science say we can't trust our fellow man? Unless a behavioral scientist can completely define "trust" and "confidence" without employing theory to any extent, then science and faith can never agree at any point. Faith would always be theoretical and not fact. That is faith not religion, and to only use Catholicism in these examples is really annoying. Why pick primarily on Catholicism anyways? Why not condemn a religion that prompts us to kill others and break the law? If you ask me, we're condemning good(following the law and having common decencies)   for evil (Good and evil are another topic which I'll probably have to define later, but not at the moment.

Yes, its about being open minded to all possibilities, and finding compromises

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Twipply

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Re: Religion and its Impact

Ok, just a question, so if the world has been around only 4.54 billion years, how do you know that radio active decay was the exact same as it is today? This sounds similar to the carbon dating theory. How do we know that the amount of carbon in the atmosphere is the same as it today? Odds are, like you say, things like that would change over 4.54 billion years? So there is still no fact of the earth being 4.54 billion years old (i learned this in a book). Here is a link: http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/carbondating.html

I read your link, it stated "Carbon dating is only accurate back a few thousand years", I then looked at Wikipedia and noticed that it said more like ~60k years.   At this point, considering that your link seems to have got a very basic figure wrong, I stopped reading.   Find me a real link.
There's quite a few ways to estimate the age of the Earth.

Dont trust everything you see on wikipedia

This is one of the more idiotic and irritating things I read online.   It is not often Wikipedia itself that I trust, it's the list of sources at the bottom of the page.

Do you know about the decay of radioactive materials? It uses a term know as a Half-life, which is the amount of time it takes for half the radioactive atoms to decay. Look this up please, it can take far more than 4.5 billion years for this process to finish.

You're talking to a theoretical physicist.   What's your point?

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Jaybm

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Re: Religion and its Impact

I read your link, it stated "Carbon dating is only accurate back a few thousand years", I then looked at Wikipedia and noticed that it said more like ~60k years.   At this point, considering that your link seems to have got a very basic figure wrong, I stopped reading.   Find me a real link.

Why dont you do your own research instead of making me do it for you? Besides, you dont even need a link to know the atmosphere is changing, especially over "4.54 billion years". If you wish to understand more about carbon dating and creation i encourage you to read this book: http://www.answersingenesis.org/PublicS … 3,224.aspx

Here is your link on carbon dating:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/article … -the-bible

This is one of the more idiotic and irritating things I read online.   It is not often Wikipedia itself that I trust, it's the list of sources at the bottom of the page.

Ever heard of sarcasm? No need to get yourself worked up.

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