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treejoe4

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Re: Religious Tolerance

I understand that people are other religions, and I respect that. I have to agree, with Krubby (at some points). Like how he said that people attack christianity, more than most religions. Here are my pros and cons

                                                                                                                   Pros:
                                                                                                 Brings moral into some situation
                                                                                                 Sets basic rules
                                                                                                 Bible does actually have historical records
                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                 Cons:
                                                                                        Some religions teach hate
                                                                                        Besides ^ none.

Pros:
-Some people are brought up on peace, which isn't true for the main religions

Cons:
-Teaches things based on no science, such as Creationism. Anyone brought up to believe in Creationism has parents who commit child abuse.
-Holds back scientific knowledge and development, this happened in the middle east, when Islam was introduced. It was the scientific center of the world for around 300 years.
-Starts wars, current example is the Palestine and Israel conflict, which is genocide
-Limits how much people think
-Gives people reasons to hate and separate each other
-Is responsible for terrorist attacks
-Limits how people live
-Holds back social evolution, people still hate homosexuals etc.
If humans are going to evolve into the next stage of humanity, we need to forget religion. It needs to   removed from all forms of education as a good source for someones logical view of the world. Religious teachings should be criticized instead of being accepted as fact or socially acceptable, because in some places it is okay to practice religion that promotes hatred.

Religion was needed to create communities and empires, but we don't need it anymore. But the way things still go i wouldn't be surprised if i see a church built on Mars in my lifetime.

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Nou

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People are free to believe whatever they want, people should respect other people's beliefs, but here's my beef with religion in general:

1: People often are unable to interpret stuff and will take everything literally. This leads to extremism, which, clearly, is no good for anything.

2: Religious families often do not allow for one's own view on life to be established. It saddens me to see, for example, children in America who are taught at a very young age that dinosaur fossils were put in the ground by God to test one's faith, and that it is laughable to think otherwise. The same goes for hate against groups of people for no reason other than "because the [insert holy book] said so" (Westborough Church, for example). This hate is then continued by the raising of their children in the next generation.

3: Religion should ALWAYS be segregated from law. Because of point 2. Looking at Middle-Eastern countries, you often read about girls being stoned to death for looking at a boy or dating one outside of their religion and the law forbids this.

4: This goes for all sides: people often try to shove their religion in your face, particularly the Jehova's witnesses.

A very relevant quote that I love:
Religion is like a ****.
It's fine to have one.
It's fine to be proud of it.
But please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around.
And PLEASE don't try to shove it down my children's throats.

5: This is very relevant in my country, I don't know about others: Religion is intertwined with culture, and culture is exported, but due to conservative beliefs, the religious people often feel like they do not have to adapt to the country they moved to. This causes major segregation and thus lack of integration, consequently ending up in friction between two or more groups.

Having said that, I think religion is just outdated. All people need is to respect each other and leave each other alone. Don't do stuff to other people you wouldn't want them to do to you. So yea I'm totally fine with religion, I treat everybody equally.

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Toby

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toby, you did say that there is evidence for evolution, but there is a ton of evidence against it. Schools never teach what is against evolution, only what is for it. arceus64 was right about the abram (abraham) and isaac.

toby: Bestiality, super immoral. oh, i've read the bible, you probably haven't read it. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because they were sinful, and wouldn't change at all. Scientific theories are proven wrong so many times, by creationists. evidence points towards creationism. Atheist scientists usually lose to creationist scientists in debates. oh and btw, newton was christian.

There's no evidence against evolution actually, or any for God. Stop being vague and actually put points forward if you disagree.

Not many species have sex with other species by the way. Are you saying if you didn't have the bible in your life you'd go out and have sex with goats? Do you think people did that before? No. Think before you write these things, they make no sense...

I used to be Christian and have actually read the bible. I've also read a fair bit of the Qur'an and some of the Gnostic Gospels.

And no, maybe in the debates you deliberately pick out, where the creationists shout out the real scientists it might look like they lose, but I've yet to ever hear any convincing evidence against evolution that hasn't been immediately shot down by any scientist worth his weight.

Newton being Christian means nothing, everyone was then. Pretty much everyone before the last 100 years who ever did anything bad was Christian.

I agree with NoU and most of what others have said in this thread and haven't seen you put any real points forward against Evolution or any reason to not take a Agnostic-Athiest stance against there being a God. You keep saying you have points but never put them forward. Being louder in an argument doesn't make you right...

32OrtonEdge32dh

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1. What are the pros and cons of religion in general?

The pro of religion is that it gives weak people something to turn to in tough times.   Some people also feel that they require answers to life's questions, and a supreme being or beings can help them with that.
Religion can also promote altruism.

The con of religion is that it is hard for it to evolve.   Traditions bring along or promote outmoded forms of thinking, like homophobia, sexism, racism, et cetera.   (Remember that I'm speaking generally.)   21st century society shouldn't be functioning with first century ways of thinking.   There is also a superiority complex that often comes with a religion, the whole "I'm better than you because I'm going to heaven" thing.
Religion also tends to find its way into politics, which is definitely a con.
Religion leads to indoctrination/zealotry, a certain poster in this topic being a mighty fine example.   They can't accept any views other than their own.
That altruism that religion promotes?   Only in the pursuit of heaven.
2. What is the ideal religion? (Basically, how could (a) religion be improved? Remember that this is strictly your personal belief and that there are downsides to all religions)

The ideal religion wouldn't be a religion, per se.   There would be no supreme leader, no seminal figures to worship, no cardinals or popes, no deities.   It would just be a shared set of intrinsic morals that everyone should follow, like the Ten Commandments without the jealous god and ox stuff.   Don't steal unless you need to, don't kill unless you need to, don't cheat on your spouse, don't lie unless you need to.

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Tako

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Question #1:
Pros:
1) Many religions answer questions that scientists cannot answer today, instilling some form of security and involvement in the universe instead of embracing that we are alone.

2) Many religions also instill unity among people. Despite being atheist, I still go to church on a weekly basis and the most beautiful thing I've seen completely average people being given an opportunity to help 3rd-world countries. Yes, many non-profit organizations accomplish the same thing, but this is different in that there is little motivation needed. Most people don't even know what they're donating to, which brings me to my next point.

Cons:
1) Religion is ignorance in most cases. Time and time again, when presented with logical evidence to support a theory, a theist will rebuke it solely because it contradicts their "divine" theory. This is the opposite of logical and an epitome of ignorance. So much that it seeps beyond theories and into things that have been proven as fact, no matter what the topic.

2) Religion does not encourage logical, independent thinking. It teaches people to put faith in a book and neglects to teach them how to think for themselves. This is not healthy for the human mind. We should not be pressured into religion at a young, vulnerable age and bound to it for the rest of our lives. We should encourage independent thinking.

Question #2:
Buddhism. I haven't gone into deep study, no, but I like the idea of a passive religion that teaches self-sacrifice and good deeds without the bull snot of the Bible like "women should not be teachers" or "it is okay to have a slave".

But as a whole I feel that society shouldn't need a religion. A society based on pragmatic reason to describe the universe and deep thought to aid ourselves is always a superior option.

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Yeah, well, you know that's just like, uh, your opinion, man.

soccerfreak006

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toby, you did say that there is evidence for evolution, but there is a ton of evidence against it. Schools never teach what is against evolution, only what is for it. arceus64 was right about the abram (abraham) and isaac.

toby: Bestiality, super immoral. oh, i've read the bible, you probably haven't read it. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because they were sinful, and wouldn't change at all. Scientific theories are proven wrong so many times, by creationists. evidence points towards creationism. Atheist scientists usually lose to creationist scientists in debates. oh and btw, newton was christian.

There's no evidence against evolution actually, or any for God. Stop being vague and actually put points forward if you disagree.

Not many species have sex with other species by the way. Are you saying if you didn't have the bible in your life you'd go out and have sex with goats? Do you think people did that before? No. Think before you write these things, they make no sense...

I used to be Christian and have actually read the bible. I've also read a fair bit of the Qur'an and some of the Gnostic Gospels.

And no, maybe in the debates you deliberately pick out, where the creationists shout out the real scientists it might look like they lose, but I've yet to ever hear any convincing evidence against evolution that hasn't been immediately shot down by any scientist worth his weight.

Newton being Christian means nothing, everyone was then. Pretty much everyone before the last 100 years who ever did anything bad was Christian.

I agree with NoU and most of what others have said in this thread and haven't seen you put any real points forward against Evolution or any reason to not take a Agnostic-Athiest stance against there being a God. You keep saying you have points but never put them forward. Being louder in an argument doesn't make you right...

how did life originate?

Tako

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how did life originate?

Nobody knows, but we can use logical theories. That's what it comes down to: who is more logical?

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Yeah, well, you know that's just like, uh, your opinion, man.

AzurePudding

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It's actually been proven that life can be produced from nonlife.   I believe it's something with electric shock with amino acids that can create DNA.

krubby

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how did life originate?

Evolution through natural selection is not primarily related to any theory regarding the start of life. God could've created early life, then affected what happened so that life would evolve into humans. 60-70% of Americans are evolutionist, but the majority of Americans are also Christain. If evolution meant that there was no God then much fewer people would accept it.

Koto

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I'd rather believe in evolution than being created by god.   Evolution is so much more interesting than just being created.

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Idrkwim... I was kiiiiind of Catholic for like a year, then kiiiind of Buddhist, then all this other shizz and now I think I'm kiiiiind of Hindu... o.0 But nawwww... the only thing I picked up from any of doze religions was that I re-incarnate ;p~. So yea religion = bullpucky l0llss.. `.`

The only other thing that I picked up from "religion" was how I used to think when parents give each other a special hug, babies pour out of clouds from high above! (that rhymes!)
Jah, jah, jah, jah! & I still believe it bc its true

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krubby

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I'd rather believe in evolution than being created by god.   Evolution is so much more interesting than just being created.

They're both pretty cool when you just look at it from a non-philosophic view.

Either the creator of the entire giant universe made us as the perfect beings and gave us our own world, or we fought our way to the top after 4.5 billion years of the best surviving and became self-aware by ourselves and then proceded to take over the world

They're both awesome, although I think evolution sounds cooler just because it kinda says "We did this without any help, ****ers!"

xputnameherex

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I'm just gonna say this, because I've seriously had enough with goddamn religion topics. Two points here.

1. If there's no god, everything that has ever happened was an accident. Every tiny part of a thought, every tiny neurological response, every tiny reaction happening in your brain right now, all coming together to form a full personality, set of beliefs, understanding, and thought, are all just chemical reactions that happened for no apparent reason.

2. Don't say that God defies science and therefore cannot exist. I believe I've made a flow chart before, but I'll make another one.

Saintcool

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how did life originate?

Soccerfreak just answer me one question, this isn't to question your beliefs It's just to try and end this argument, who created god?

AzurePudding

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I'm just gonna say this, because I've seriously had enough with goddamn religion topics. Two points here.

1. If there's no god, everything that has ever happened was an accident. Every tiny part of a thought, every tiny neurological response, every tiny reaction happening in your brain right now, all coming together to form a full personality, set of beliefs, understanding, and thought, are all just chemical reactions that happened for no apparent reason.

2. Don't say that God defies science and therefore cannot exist. I believe I've made a flow chart before, but I'll make another one.

Who created God?   God just came out from nothing for no apparent reason?   God is able to create things out of thin air, for no apparent reason?   Not even that, as there was no air to start with apparently?  

I find it odd how thiests use the "things just happened and appeared for no reason" argument when that's the exact thing they beleive God was able to do.  

Also having a gigantic picture doesn't make you right.   Being louder doesn't make you more right.

treejoe4

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It's actually been proven that life can be produced from nonlife.   I believe it's something with electric shock with amino acids that can create DNA.

What has been proven is that organic molecules can be made, no one can produce life from scratch. Life just started.

Is anyone on this forum on soccerfreak's side, it just seems like it is everyone against him lol.

D-rock2308

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It is all called faith for a reason guys. That's been my conclusion.

Arceus64

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There's nothing bad at having an opinion on religion, all of us are different and we need to learn how to live with each other (even though we don't live together, we're just random strangers expressing thoughts on a forum for a flash game with the main character(s) smilies).

Saintcool

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Who created God?   God just came out from nothing for no apparent reason?   God is able to create things out of thin air, for no apparent reason?   Not even that, as there was no air to start with apparently?  

I find it odd how thiests use the "things just happened and appeared for no reason" argument when that's the exact thing they beleive God was able to do.  

Also having a gigantic picture doesn't make you right.   Being louder doesn't make you more right.

I think like me, he said that to people could start talking about the big bang without you people saying oh well how did it start then.

krubby

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It's actually been proven that life can be produced from nonlife.   I believe it's something with electric shock with amino acids that can create DNA.

What has been proven is that organic molecules can be made, no one can produce life from scratch. Life just started.

Is anyone on this forum on soccerfreak's side, it just seems like it is everyone against him lol.

I'm not really against him on the god or no god argument, I'm more taking a neutral ground. And xputnameherex is on his side.

ILoveBacon

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Sorry if this breaks any of your borin' rules but
Can God make a rock heavier than himself. Think 'bout it.

Toby

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Sorry if this breaks any of your borin' rules but
Can God make a rock heavier than himself. Think 'bout it.

I think the paradox is "Can God make a rock so big, even he can't lift it"

krubby

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Sorry if this breaks any of your borin' rules but
Can God make a rock heavier than himself. Think 'bout it.

I think the paradox is "Can God make a rock so big, even he can't lift it"

Yeah, that makes more sense as a paradox. PiK is more bringing into question God's tangibility.

ILoveBacon

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Whoa! Sorry. The last time I was told it was like 10 months ago. Long time memory like a pro.

AzurePudding

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Hehe, I remember that one.

Also:

If God is a perfect being..

Being perfect implies you are perfect at everything.

This also means being perfect at being imperfect.

But to be imperfect, you aren't perfect.

So it is impossible to be perfect.   If there is a god, he is not perfect.