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skullz17

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Re: Human Population

Just adopt if you want a big family.

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RhazzleFrazzle

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Posts: 4,260

Re: Human Population

1.yes
2.yes
3.hopefully as many people as we have now
4.iq tests for anyone that wants to be a parent
5.hunger games
6.government
7.yes
8.yes
9.require iq tests for people that want to have a kid
10.normally yes but if the population gets out of control no

treejoe4

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Re: Human Population

Earth is over-populated. Proof? Not enought food for Africa.

Idk if that is proof... I've heard that there is enough but it just doesn't get to Africa. And if that's not the case, I'm sure some places could go with a little less food.

Actually, one of the basic rules of evolution is that there is never enough space or resources for every member of a population to survive. So, yeah. Even if we weren't overpopulated, that would still happen.

What? The world does produce enough food for everyone, why do you think that a lot of countries get fat?

rocktheworld313

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Re: Human Population

Humans are exponentially populating the earth, so here are some questions for you guys:

1. Are there too many right now?
No.
2. Would we do better with less than now? (This also requires your opinion of 'better')
Probably. I'm a trained assassin, all you have to do is ask
3. How populated do you think the earth will be before the population goes down?
Infinity and bey-- No.
4. What ways can you think of that would be population control?
China already started limiting the number of kids you can have.
5. What do you think is the best way?
Nuke the planet. As you can see, I am strictly nonviolent.
6. How do you think the population will go down? By human choice, government, or disaster ect.?
Governments will probably start dropping kid limits to one half or something.
7. Should humans look for more planets to live on?
No. Just no.
8. Do you think the population should go down now?
No.
9. If you had the power to make a law for a country, what (if any) would you set for a law to lower population?
First of all, explain to me how I got the job of president.
10. Should parents have the choice of how many children they have?
Yes, but setting a limit is fine.
I might add more questions later. Feel free to add any interesting things you know about this.

Arceus64

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Re: Human Population

1.yes
2.yes
3.hopefully as many people as we have now
4.iq tests for anyone that wants to be a parent
5.hunger games
6.government
7.yes
8.yes
9.require iq tests for people that want to have a kid
10.normally yes but if the population gets out of control no

YESYESYESYESYES

MIHB

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Re: Human Population

Either limit the number of children people can have, or let them have as many as they want, but reduce all government support to zero.   Either would work.

GKAbyss

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Re: Human Population

1. Are there too many right now?

Yes, we would actually need more than the space on one earth to accomodate the current population living with the same standards of living as the average person in the United States.

2. Would we do better with less than now? (This also requires your opinion of 'better')

Yes because there would be more resources available to more people, the standard of living would increase.

3. How populated do you think the earth will be before the population goes down?

I am not sure because it could be caused by many different factors that could happen at different times such as all countries being highly developed, disease, war, famine, government intervention, etc. Many of these events could occur today

4. What ways can you think of that would be population control?

There are natural means that all species go through such as running out of food, and anthropogenic means like the government limiting the number of children families may have.

5. What do you think is the best way?

I think the best way would be limiting the number of children, but an even better possibility is all countries becoming highly developed, at which point the populations are relatively stable or may even decline due to downsides of having too many children and the availability of ways to prevent pregnancies.

6. How do you think the population will go down? By human choice, government, or disaster ect.?

I think it is unlikely for the government in many countries to be allowed to control population, but in the cases where it is not allowed it is likely that the population is growing slowly or declining anyway. I guess it would probably be a combination of these factors, it actually has been in the cases of slowed population growth in the past.

7. Should humans look for more planets to live on?

Yes, but not for the population problem. We should look for a permanent answer to the problem rather than prolong complications.

8. Do you think the population should go down now?

Yes.

9. If you had the power to make a law for a country, what (if any) would you set for a law to lower population?

I would like to limit the number of children families have to two, but it would be difficult to account for mistakes and families having to give up children. It would not be possible to differentiate between mistakes and people pretending to have made a mistake.

10. Should parents have the choice of how many children they have?

Yes.
Not having to do with questions: it is interesting that a main problem associated with a declining population is difficulty in sustaining social security, which is made up completely by humans. overpopulation is a very serious problem with no easy way to alleviate it, while social security is completely controlled by us. We should find a way to fix social secuirty rather than not care about overpopulation.

Last edited by GKAbyss (Apr 29 2013 9:45:31 pm)

Zoey2070

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Posts: 5,504

Re: Human Population

Plus less kids will make people loose jobs. I mean nearly everyone on my street has 4 or more kids.
It's just unfair, if people want more kids they should be able too.

How would less kids make people lose jobs?
Hey, so if I want to kill someone, I SHOULD BE ABLE TO, RIGHT? BECAUSE I WANT TO. Yeah no.

Oh god, so encourage people to pay 10,00$+, instead of having their OWN child. Seems fantastic...

Is it all about the price for you? Because raising a kid doesn't cost a lot of money at all, right? No diaper costs, schooling, etc. And more so with the more kids you have. Plus, what about those who are infertile? OH THEY SHOULD JUST HAVE THIER OWN KID RIGHT BECAUSE SO MUCH MONEY! It's better to adopt than to have your own kid, it's all suppy and demand, but a lot more complicated.

With one kid, the kid has 100% of the attention.   Two kids, 50%, three kids, 33%, and so on.   When you have 20 kids it's not just a struggle but you can't spend your time evenly with each of them and some will tend to be neglected

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I love your logic, I really do, with that scenario you're saying, there's only 1 parent, and the other kids never age? Okay, gottha!

Most children have a mom and dad (that's 2 reasonable adults). and by the time they have had their 4th child the first child will be older enough to help out. Won't be able to do a lot, but yeah.   There are ways of coping.

I don't know about you, but let me put things into perspective:
The divorce rate in the US is 53%, in the UK it's 47%. 27% in the US are single parents -- about 16% of children worldwide live in a single-parent household. -- google 'single parent statistics' or something. I have no idea where you're getting the 'reasonable adult' thing. You cannot assume that all adults are reasonable. It's an adult's responsibility to take care of the child, not its sibling. It's not fair to the child for it to have to take care of its sibling, because if you can't take care of the child, you shouldn't have had it!

But I never said 20 kids was okay. 7 kids is pushing the boat out.

But if you had 20 kids, the first kid would be a freaking adult to help out, have you forgot that people age? You obviously don't'

But THE KID SHOULDN'T HAVE TO HELP OUT, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN LIFE TO LIVE.
NOT ALL PARENTS ARE RESPONSIBLE
THIS IS NOT THE IDEAL SOCIETY
we have people who have a ton of kids for welfare and don't make any attempt to care for them.
it is not fair for the child to live in such miserable conditions, and i fully support limiting the number of children if a population rate in a country is steadily rising. but if a place has a declining population, paying bonuses for more children is a good idea, but only to a point so people aren't being abusive towards their kids.
first, we should start with sex ed. seriously.
secondly, we should have healthcare pay for birth control, not viagra.
thirdly, make sure people aren't abusing the welfare system
fourthly, abortions.

Last edited by Zoey2070 (Apr 30 2013 2:51:12 pm)

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SilverStar

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Re: Human Population

Echo, I read your post but you deleted it before I could respond, so I'll just respond even though it's gone. Don't worry, I'm only going to talk about that money thing.

What I think Zoey was saying, is that adoption for one kid isn't a lot of money compared to having 4 children.

Here's a sad comparison between adoptable children and adoptable pets:
There are a ton of animals that do not get adopted, and the shelters desperately look for people to adopt them. Does it still cost money to adopt? Most of the time. Why? Well, they want to make sure that whoever adopts them, cares enough to pay a large amount to do so.
Same with children.
If children were adoptable free, how would we know if they were being adopted by someone who cares?

And no matter what, there will be kids in orphanages.

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Echo!

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Re: Human Population

I deleted it, becuse I don't think it made sense. I was trying to say, adoption will never be cheaper yhan having your own child.
I know why it costs so much, still I would not mind if it was cheaper, still pricy, but just cheaper. Right now its crazy..

Arceus64

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Re: Human Population

I'm against abortion. All religious views aside, it's basically about killing an innocent, unborn baby because of either your immaturity and negligence (through unsafe sex) or an unfortunate event (rape).

Even if you are raped, I would really hope you would be loving and understanding to give the child a chance at life.

krubby

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Re: Human Population

I'm against abortion. All religious views aside, it's basically about killing an innocent, unborn baby because of either your immaturity and negligence (through unsafe sex) or an unfortunate event (rape).

Even if you are raped, I would really hope you would be loving and understanding to give the child a chance at life.

Please just don't bring this up. A huge flame war will spawn from this if we start discussing it.

Arceus64

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Re: Human Population

I'm against abortion. All religious views aside, it's basically about killing an innocent, unborn baby because of either your immaturity and negligence (through unsafe sex) or an unfortunate event (rape).

Even if you are raped, I would really hope you would be loving and understanding to give the child a chance at life.

Please just don't bring this up. A huge flame war will spawn from this if we start discussing it.

Sorry for trying to freely express my opinion.

krubby

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Joined: 2015-06-23

Posts: 1,190

Re: Human Population

I'm against abortion. All religious views aside, it's basically about killing an innocent, unborn baby because of either your immaturity and negligence (through unsafe sex) or an unfortunate event (rape).

Even if you are raped, I would really hope you would be loving and understanding to give the child a chance at life.

Please just don't bring this up. A huge flame war will spawn from this if we start discussing it.

Sorry for trying to freely express my opinion.

I'm not limiting you, I'm warning you that bringing up subjects like that is just making trouble, even if it's unintentional. I'm paying note to your sig

Last edited by krubby (Apr 30 2013 5:59:45 pm)

Arceus64

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Re: Human Population

Please just don't bring this up. A huge flame war will spawn from this if we start discussing it.

Sorry for trying to freely express my opinion.

I'm not limiting you, I'm warning you that bringing up subjects like that is just making trouble, even if it's unintentional. I'm paying note to your sig

You sly dog you.

MIHB

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Re: Human Population

Even if you are raped, I would really hope you would be loving and understanding to give the child a chance at life.

I'm no fan of abortion, but this is a horrible, horrible idea.

Echo!

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Re: Human Population

Even if you are raped, I would really hope you would be loving and understanding to give the child a chance at life.

What. It's not something someone can do.. That child would be like a scar to the victim. It's constant reminder. I'm still shocked and frustrated over mine. I'm scarred enough without the child as a reminder.

There's so much wrong with what you said.

.It's horrible to have something you didn't ask for

.They may not be able to raise the kid on there own

.They don't want the biological father to a selfish c@*t

Why do you think it's fine to keep it. I hate abortion, but when it comes to rape, it's okay I guess. If I was a female and raped, I wouldn't keep it, even with my love for children.

Arceus64

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Re: Human Population

I understand most wouldn't want to accept it. It brings bad memories. If they can't raise it, at least give it up for adoption.

Main thing I'm saying is, I feel it's wrong to punish the child for something they couldn't control happening.

.It's horrible to have something you didn't ask for.

This makes no sense to me.

Everglade

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Re: Human Population

Main thing I'm saying is, I feel it's wrong to punish the child for something they couldn't control happening.

You use the word "child" as if when Abortion takes place, they kill a conscious human being.

The general idea is that Abortion takes place within a limit before the foetus develops a consciousness.

In other words, it is only a basic system thriving off of the mother, or even just simple cells.

Surely you can't be against early abortion?   This is literally only cells at this stage, and is no different from killing sperm if someone masturbates.

The question should be 'WHEN is Abortion not ok?'.

This is of course a very touching and complex subject and opinions vary a lot.

Echo!

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Re: Human Population

.It's horrible to have something you didn't ask for.

This makes no sense to me.

It is horrible to have something that you did not ask for. The baby is something you didn't ask for. Yet, you have to live with it..

treejoe4

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Re: Human Population

I'm against abortion. All religious views aside, it's basically about killing an innocent, unborn baby because of either your immaturity and negligence (through unsafe sex) or an unfortunate event (rape).

Even if you are raped, I would really hope you would be loving and understanding to give the child a chance at life.

What if a 13 year old girl was raped and became pregnant?

The child would be a daily reminder of how her life was scarred, and she has been given the chore of raising a child she didn't want or ask for. She would fail completely at school, and all social skills can be expected to be damaged by raising a child, as well as the emotional burden of dealing with being raped.

The scenario that non aborted cells will grow up into happy, healthy babies with loving parents is a complete fantasy. People get abortions for a reason you know.

Last edited by treejoe4 (May 1 2013 9:21:39 am)

MIHB

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Re: Human Population

I understand most wouldn't want to accept it. It brings bad memories. If they can't raise it, at least give it up for adoption.

Main thing I'm saying is, I feel it's wrong to punish the child for something they couldn't control happening.

.It's horrible to have something you didn't ask for.

This makes no sense to me.

You know why people rape?

Because rape works.

Refusing to have an abortion because "its wrong to punish the child" is simultaneously rewarding the rapist.

Sucks for the child who won't be born, but "protecting the children" can lead to awful long-term consequences.

Arceus64

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Re: Human Population

@Everglade: My opinion is as soon as life starts, I view abortion as a negative.

@treejoe: I never forced keeping the baby upon anyone. There are situations when it's necessary to abort, but there are times when you don't need to, yet you do.

@mihb: I'd think that once the rape begins, the rapist has already been rewarded.

Anyways, I'm sorry for swaying with the main purpose of the topic. My opinions have already been expressed, as have the people who replied to my unpopular view.

If you would like to extend the conversation, I ask that you do it through PMs.

Last edited by Arceus64 (May 1 2013 12:59:49 pm)

MIHB

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Re: Human Population

@mihb: I'd think that once the rape begins, the rapist has already been rewarded.

On an evolutionary level: no.   The rapist is rewarded when the victim has a child and that child grows up to have its own children.

Or, to be more specific, the rapists genes are rewarded.   Considering the mounting evidence that evolution can take place over the course of a few generations, this makes a big difference.   Rapist genes need to leave the population, not continue to spread because bleeding hearts worry about the children.

SilverStar

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Re: Human Population

@Everglade: My opinion is as soon as life starts, I view abortion as a negative.

I do believe this is the equivalent of not wanting to kill a plant. It is a life that has started.

Last edited by SilverStar29 (May 1 2013 3:28:51 pm)

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