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#3 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER) » 2022-09-16 00:53:56

I think I made some mistakes reading this game, I read Minimania and BuzzerBee as town mostly because I wanted to be... sure of something I guess? It's hard to put myself in my past self's shoes, but it's something along those lines. Like, even at the time I knew I shouldn't have read it into those things.

But well played, especially to BuzzerBee. BuzzerBee is probably a very good town player if he managed to play that towny as Mafia.

#4 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER) » 2022-09-16 00:51:58

For the record, when I died, I wanted to check someone on ShadowsEdge's train, because I was convinced Mafia was on it. I knew it was probably not the hammer voter, but I didn't know who it was.

#5 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER) » 2022-09-16 00:50:43

Was a fun game, I'll definitely play more games here in the future.
I'm also down to host ^^

#6 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER) » 2022-09-06 13:43:57

2b55b5g wrote:

norwee said it's a balanced setup so i find that unlikely

it could be balanced by virtue of being imbalanced. for example if there's 2 masons and 3 vigs, that's gonna seem suspicious as ****.

#7 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER) » 2022-09-06 13:39:09

we've had a lot of power role claims this game. is it possible that Norwee intentionally put a lot of imbalanced town power roles in the game so we would find TPR claims fishy?

#8 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER) » 2022-09-06 13:33:44

BuzzerBee wrote:
!unvote

Gikkle claimed mason here, and then a few posts later claimed to have protection (which i'm assuming would be along the lines of a bulletproof role?)

even the mason claim by itself was sketchy considering the only person who could back them up on it would be Bon Jovi, someone who has made a whopping four (4) posts so far

Shadow's informer claim is weak, but i don't think letting Gikkle be the one to hammer is a wise idea before they explain why they made two contradicting claims

i'm up way too late but i'll check back in when i wake up to see what Shadow and Gikkle have to say

yeah that claim strikes me as fishy as ****.

#9 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER) » 2022-09-06 12:35:59

Minimania wrote:

Elijah have you ever played with Gikkle before?

maybe one game, I recognise the name but must've been a while ago

#10 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER) » 2022-09-06 10:49:54

Gikkle wrote:
ElijahBaley wrote:
Gikkle wrote:
Pqwerty wrote:

I'm most likely going to be at school during EOD tomorrow, so I'm going to say some quick thoughts before bed.

Shadow's claim seems like a slip and also Lumi was suspicious of MM, ShadowsEdge, and Mini, and now they're dead.

If Shadow flips town, that's when we should start reevaluating slots like 2B/Gandhi.

!vote ShadowsEdge

oh, I was sniped
!unvote shadowsedge

what

He took the l-2 vote from me
Now I can't vote till nearer to EoD

ah

#11 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER) » 2022-09-06 04:41:13

Gikkle wrote:
Pqwerty wrote:

I'm most likely going to be at school during EOD tomorrow, so I'm going to say some quick thoughts before bed.

Shadow's claim seems like a slip and also Lumi was suspicious of MM, ShadowsEdge, and Mini, and now they're dead.

If Shadow flips town, that's when we should start reevaluating slots like 2B/Gandhi.

!vote ShadowsEdge

oh, I was sniped
!unvote shadowsedge

what

#12 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER) » 2022-09-06 01:17:49

Minimania wrote:
ElijahBaley wrote:
Minimania wrote:
ElijahBaley wrote:

On the Normal page I only found one anti-town role that was explicitly Normal, and that's Miller, and that's not a role one would generally hide - more pressingly, it's not a role that one would want to hide from Mafia

Why would you not hide being a Miller from the Mafia?

If I was a Miller, I would claim that immediately so the cop knows if he checks me I will come up as Mafia. much better than claiming it after the fact

Yes but that's basic, why not hang back and claim negative utility instead in case there's a Mafia Cop? The Mafia Cop will believe a Miller to be the Traitor if found and thus they'll be kept pretty safe

Fair enough

#13 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER) » 2022-09-06 01:10:56

Minimania wrote:

Aight it's 5 pm but my sleep schedule is **** up, I just woke up

These are some cool developments, welcome to the forums Gikkle!

Immediate thoughts on Gikkle: made a claim to be masons with Big Bon Jovi. That's risky as **** to do early on if you're scum so I don't see that coming from there. Either they really are masons or perhaps Onjit was a cop and investigated Jovi, found he was innocent, and Gikkle took up the mantle. Either way, pretty townie so I'll trust him and Jovi

I did not notice that.

#14 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER) » 2022-09-06 01:06:54

Minimania wrote:
ElijahBaley wrote:

On the Normal page I only found one anti-town role that was explicitly Normal, and that's Miller, and that's not a role one would generally hide - more pressingly, it's not a role that one would want to hide from Mafia

Why would you not hide being a Miller from the Mafia?

If I was a Miller, I would claim that immediately so the cop knows if he checks me I will come up as Mafia. much better than claiming it after the fact

#15 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER) » 2022-09-05 23:58:52

I don't buy Shadow's role now. It would appear Shadows made a legit scum slip.
By the way @Pqwerty care to share your role? On the Normal page I only found one anti-town role that was explicitly Normal, and that's Miller, and that's not a role one would generally hide - more pressingly, it's not a role that one would want to hide from Mafia.

#16 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER) » 2022-09-05 23:57:22

He did say there's no more than 3 Mafia in the signup thread, it's not in his first post. I just checked.
That's all he said.

#17 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER) » 2022-09-05 19:29:08

!vote ShadowsEdge

I am okay with this lynch. Also totally in favour of someone hammering. Just give the man some time to explain before you hammer though

#18 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER) » 2022-09-05 18:45:26

The game should have at least one Mafia or Werewolf group (of at least two members). In mini games (at most 13 players), there must be exactly one such group, with no third parties.

This is from the Mafia scum page on Normal Games. @ShadowsEdge how do you know there's only 2 scum?

#19 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER) » 2022-09-05 18:43:21

Gikkle wrote:
ShadowsEdge wrote:

With only 2 mafia who know each other

How do we know this? I don't see this anywhere in the OP.

Lmao I'd laugh if that was a scum slip, but... I recall reading that in normal games with 13 players, there are 3 scum. Since we know one of the scum is a traitor, I am guessing that leaves 2 scum that know each other 100%.

#20 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER) » 2022-09-05 18:41:20

...by the way - just to make sure - I hope I am not coming across as some kind of **** or something right now. You see me attacking MM for "calling my play ****", but literally at more or less the same time we're playing SC2 together and having fun with no ill will/tension between us (mafia is such a strange game), so if I'm being too personal or something - it is NOT personal, it's just the game lmao, outside of the game I can be quite a chill dude

#21 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER) » 2022-09-05 18:39:37

I actually think it's ShadowsEdge. Like, we can start with any of these null-marks and push them. ShadowsEdge, 2b, they're all good pushes.

#22 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER) » 2022-09-05 16:25:31

!vote 2b255gb

by the way, can everyone agree to these:

a) we should all follow some kind of majority vote. for example, follow my vote //forums.everybodyedits.com/img/smilies/big_smile
b) we must always be prepared to hammer, else we cannot get proper information out of someone.
c) get 2b255gb to L-1. if someone hammers, well, we'll have the info that they hammered.

#23 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER) » 2022-09-05 15:49:17

Pqwerty wrote:

Ok so say MM is mafia. Any idea who their partners are?

Also, just to entertain the idea, if MM flipped town then who do you think the mafia would be?

1) Someone he has not interacted much with. ShadowsEdge is good on that front, I don't recall any interactions between them. MM is a paranoid scum so he wouldn't be talking to his partners in the thread. Possibly also Grilyon, I don't recall him ever drawing attention to that inactive in comparison to say me or Bon Jovi.

2) I have no idea

#24 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER) » 2022-09-05 15:29:55

Pqwerty wrote:

So Elijah you wanted us to give reasons for voting you and I'm going to give my strongest reasons first and other reasons next.

1. I understand that it's hard to get reads, and I understand that you're struggling. The fact that you're so convinced that MM is mafia and Mini is town after saying you're struggling to make reads is unusual. This might be another case like Buzzerbee where you saw limited evidence and then got fully convinced, only to reevaluate later. Like maybe you just haven't reevaluated them yet. So either you're confident in your reads because you have inside information, or you're unjustifiably confident in potentially flimsy reads.
2. I don't want to take you to LYLO. If you're town, the condorcet indicates that you'll probably be the target of the chop on LYLO. If you're mafia and made it to LYLO, that means the town probably spent the last 2 days tunneling you and not reading anyone else. You're a hard slot to solve and I'd rather it be now than on LYLO.
3. You said so yourself at the end of #56 in your ISO that you pushed Mini and have him as 99% town. Why push a townread?

tldr; Upon further inspection, my vote on you is more of a policy lynch. If you can explain why MM is mafia I think I'd be more inclined to go that way, but you're my vote today until then. Actually I'm on you in spirit. I'm gonna unvote so that no one swoops in and hammers.

!unvote

1. I've known MM personally for years. I probably am the player who knows him the best. I am confident because of my meta with him. Specifically, MM almost always defends me from pushes coming from "everyone else" when he is town, but right now not only is he 1) pushing me, he is doing it on totally flimsy grounds 2). It is almost as if he wants me to be Mafia. That, or he wants to lynch me because I'm an easy target. In any event, he is probably Mafia. Am I 100% down to lynch him right now? Yes, as of right now, I am.

2. I'm not that hard to solve. If you look into my posts, I am legit BLEEDING my emotions/feelings/state of mind/whatever through. Like, most people explain their train of thought in words or what not, but I am giving you my thoughts more or less exactly as they come to me. Read them carefully and you'll see I am town.

3. I had him as scum initially because he was townreading the anti-town claim solely for making an anti-town claim, saying 'it's pro-town', but in fact if he is scum the claim is not pro-town at all. Anyway after I pushed him I realised he likely wasn't Mafia because I couldn't put myself into his place as a Mafia player. Like I thought he wanted to kill anti-town for being a serial killer, which sounds like something a Mafia would do, because Mafia

would

be hunting for the Serial Killer, but then he clarified Serial Killer generally (in his experience) cannot kill Mafia, rendering the point moot, and his reaction to being pushed by me - anger - was towny.

#25 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER) » 2022-09-05 10:41:01

1) I have things to say about Condorcet, but I think I could fill pages with why I think it doesn't work, so maybe I'll leave it for post-game

2) It is indeed a fabricated number, as in fact all numbers are. I'm almost supremely confident you are town, but I'm also simultaneously going 'what if I'm misreading?', which to be totally fair I would probably be asking myself over pretty much any read, so...
3) as for BB, I went back to one of the posts where he said that he "doesn't have much time" so he'll "try to give as much information as possible", and it is nowhere near as bad as I remembered it. it doesn't in fact even have the same or similar content as I imagined it did, so I probably just skimmed through it when I originally made the read on him... or I'm misremembering and someone else made the post in question, that is also possible.

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