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#1 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN] » 2021-05-11 15:02:00

Minimania wrote:

For which side?

Neither. It didn't make anything lopsided.

#2 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN] » 2021-05-10 18:13:57

Minimania wrote:

The entirety of Town of Salem is played like this.

Forum mafia and ToS aren't really comparable. It's been a long time since I've played ToS, but I don't recall whispers being used for anything meaningful very often. Also, ToS is a very fast game compared to forum mafia.

Minimania wrote:

but for some reason you find it irksome, or annoying. Why?

I'm not annoyed by it at all. I thought it was fun. But I also don't need an investigative role to hold my hand.

However, allowing the entire game to be played in whispers made it... too easy? I don't really care either way, but allowing Whispers with some limitation let's people sneak around, but also requires some kind of plan when using them.

#3 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN] » 2021-05-10 16:41:21

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

How aboit limiting it to one whisper per day?
Then it would maybe be tolerable.

I also thought one whisper per day would work.

It forces people to use it in more tactfully, and keeps the entire game from being played in the shadows.

#4 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN] » 2021-05-10 14:28:40

I think limiting whispers in some way would make them better.

#5 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN] » 2021-05-10 03:37:46

Cool, I'm not the only one that uses my team chat as some soft of diary.

Also I'm glad to see 2B was just as confused as I was.

#6 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN] » 2021-05-09 23:58:18

AllenCaspe9510 wrote:

Uwaaaa, im soo sorry mrjawapa

Lol

I tried so hard to make you and 2B doubt yourselves and unvote.

#7 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN] » 2021-05-09 23:13:35

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

witch mvp

Agree 100%

Some how he managed to win after being outted as the witch on D2(?)

Orton had a lot of control over who won. I couldn't believe he sent the monster slayer to the cookie at a pivotal moment in the game lmao

#11 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN] » 2021-05-08 21:31:32

Minimania wrote:

Not true. A Vamp, Survivor, and Witch can all win together. . .

Ohhh okay, sorry. I misunderstood.

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2B55B5G TNG wrote:

at least Allen kinda has proof that he's Monster Slayer.

How does he have any more proof that he's a monster slayer than I do as survivor, or you do as a vampire?

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

there's a one hour gap, if he agrees with Orton, he should've whispered me that he is Cookies right after that.

Are you implying that anything Allen has done this game has made any sense?

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Post #392, Orton whispered, probably responding to you. If that was to respond Allen, you probably would've called him out.

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Post #401, another whisper from Orton, again I assume he's whispering to you

He was responding to me. I sent him a message asking if he was the witch. He said yes and there was no point in denying it.

I told him I was the survivor and asked about what info he had. He asked how he could trust me, especially since I was willing to lynch him. I told him it made no difference what I was since we had a investigative role call him out, and it didn't matter if he admitted anything to me or not.
Then, like I did with you and Task, I talked about what I thought the game setup was.
Then I made offers to send him feet pics.

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Post #406 and #407 were probably both of you whispering each other.

My whisper was to you, when I told you I called Task out for not killing Orton, and thought he might actually be the photographer.

Orton's whisper was to me, that's when he told me what info he had.

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Post #416 and #417, Task whispered me and someone else. I assume you.

Yes, this is when he told me Allen claimed jester.

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Post #440 to #443 are probably you and Task whispering each other.

#440 - Task is not whispering to me
#441 - Task role claimed to me and told me why orton was not dead
#442 - I whispered task telling him that some things made more sense now
#443 - I messaged Allen asking if he was the jester.

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Post #475, Allen whispered me and someone else, probably you.

Was not me

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Post #478, you probably whispered Allen about him fakeclaiming as Jester.

Yes

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Post #489, you whispered someone.

I whispered Exo telling him hi, and offered him feet pics.

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Post #511, Allen whispered to me, said that Task claimed Vet.

Task told me that he hadn't claimed to anyone except Exo.

#12 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN] » 2021-05-08 19:55:57

I got some clarification from mini, and if I'm understanding this correctly, the outcomes are a bit different from what I originally thought.

mrjawapa wrote:

2 vamps, 1 witch, 1 surv, 1 maf
No lynch today, maf kill a vamp
1 vamp, 1 witch, 1 surv, 1 maf
Vamp, witch, and survivor can all win together and lynch the last maf for a win.

Actually, if the vamp, witch, and survivor lynched maf, no one would hold a majority, and a majority could still be formed for a lynch. It would be 1 vamp vs 1 witch vs 1 survivor. Either the vamp and surv wins, or the vamp and witch wins.

The witch could also decide to team with the mafia, and lynch the last vampire. Making it 1 maf vs 1 surv vs 1 witch. Either the mafia and surv win, or the mafia and witch win.


mrjawapa wrote:

2 vamps, 1 witch, 1 surv, 1 maf
lynch maf today
vamps, witch, and surv win

This is wrong, because the vampires wouldn't hold majority, and a majority could still be formed to lynch someone. So the win would actually be either vamps and survivor, or vamps and witch.

mrjawapa wrote:

2 vamps, 1 witch, 1 surv, 1 maf
lynch surv today, maf kills a vamp
1 vamp, 1 witch, 1 maf
The witch decides who wins

Either witch and mafia win, or witch and vampire win.

Unless for some stupid reason the vamp/mafia lynch the witch, and the mafia then night kill the vamp and mafia wins.

#13 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN] » 2021-05-08 18:47:01

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Literally what's the point for the Witch to team up with mafia

Uncertainty that vampires exist. We all know there is a mafia faction.

Orton has to play it safe to win. If he forces a decision, and is wrong, he loses.


You are being very obtuse. You're forgetting that this is a game about misleading and lying, and you're believing things people tell you, even if they don't make relative sense.

!whisper
!whisper
!whisper

#14 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN] » 2021-05-08 18:18:38

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Witch doesn't know if Mafia will betray

The mafia can win with the witch, but not vampires. So, it's safe to say the mafia won't betray him, unless they are on a suicide mission.

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Maybe he's trying to play safe, but it's gonna be 1v1v1v1 if nolynch happens today, since mafia will definitely kill a vamp. Majority is 50% + 1, if the next day another vamp is lynched, it's still 1v1v1

2 vamps, 1 witch, 1 surv, 1 maf

No lynch today, maf kill a vamp

1 vamp, 1 witch, 1 surv, 1 maf

Vamp, witch, and survivor can all win together and lynch the last maf for a win.

--

2 vamps, 1 witch, 1 surv, 1 maf

lynch maf today

vamps, witch, and surv win

--

2 vamps, 1 witch, 1 surv, 1 maf

lynch surv today, maf kills a vamp

1 vamp, 1 witch, 1 maf

The witch decides who wins

#15 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN] » 2021-05-08 17:57:10

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Tell me why Orton would stop me from lynching.

Not lynching always benefits the mafia

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

the outcome Orton would most likely want is for me to not lynch mafia, making it 2v1v1, mafia kills a vamp, and I'd lose.

If you're not **** with me about the vampire thing, then yes. At least you understand that part.

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

He knew I was already planning to lynch you, so why stop me if Allen is mafia?

Because no lynching always benefits the mafia. It's safe for them, especially now when Allen looks sus and there's a chance you and exo flip their votes.

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Your logic is based on me and Exco being town, but we're not.

Ehh, not really. It's based on you and exo being on the same team. I wasn't expecting you to be vampires, but it doesn't really matter.

Lynching Allen today still gives you a win.

It would be 2 vampires vs 1 survivor vs 1 witch

Vampires and survivor win

#16 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN] » 2021-05-08 17:25:18

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Why would Orton cooperate with me if he was already cooperating with Allen though.

You're confusing cooperation with manipulation.

Why would orton cooperate with you at all if he thought you were town? Orton cooperating with the town is almost game throwing.

He's lying to you so you believe Allen is town.

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

If I lynched you and you're actually a Survivor, I'd be dead for sure.

If you lynch me, there won't be anymore deaths. The game would be over. It's an auto mafia win, since there is no way for town to win.

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Orton even suggested me to not lynch today.

Couldn't possibly be that he doesn't want to risk Allen being lynched. Orton needs Allen alive to win. Orton can't win with the town.

2 evil, 2 town, 1 neutral

No lynch today, Allen kills you or exo

2 evil, 1 town, 1 neutral

Mafia/witch/survivor win

#19 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN] » 2021-05-08 16:18:44

..............

You can't be serious

Think about what you just said.

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Unless Orton and Allen cooperated for some reason and lied to me

You mean... what if THE WITCH cooperated with THE MAFIA???

What a bizarre thing to think. Why would two evil factions team up and lie to the town?

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

I was never town to begin with

Then what are you?

#20 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN] » 2021-05-08 16:13:19

At what point do we find out 2B is actually the mafia and has been controlling us like puppets

That would be 5/5

#21 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN] » 2021-05-08 16:10:40

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Allen told me.

Right, allen hasn't lied so far. Why would he lie now?

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

I don’t think you understand

I think you're really bad at reading people. And I think Allen is pulling some noob plays and you're falling for them.

#22 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN] » 2021-05-08 16:01:30

Wait no, lmao
I'm not whispering to anyone, I'm DM'ing mini.

Its become a habit

#24 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN] » 2021-05-08 15:58:22

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

I know Allen isn’t.

No... you don't...

The only thing your town read of Allen rides on is an unlikely event that requires Orton to play like he has no idea what's going on.

I literally tried to keep you from being killed/converted with a dumb role claim. And I was willing to lynch orton when diff outed him as the witch.

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Jawapa will kill you if you lynch me, it’s guaranteed.

The game is over if a town is lynched today. It will be 1 town vs 2 evil vs 1 neutral.

#25 Re: Forum Games » Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN] » 2021-05-08 15:43:47

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

So are you admitting being evil now for trying to team up with Orton

No, but as the survivor I don't need to team with the town.

Since you're being a smooth brain, I can team with them and win instead.

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