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#1 2017-03-19 10:30:07

Minisaurus
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The oxymoron banning-rules of Everybody Edits

How rules work in Everybody Edits for banning an account:

Moderator:
Innocent until proven guilty. (correct)

User:
Guilty until proven innocent. (wrong)

A partial and a tyrant way to rule, it must be the same for everyone.
Having a position in the staff ought not be a prevailing situation of impunity and evasion of responsibility.
Let´s give the ban process a fix:

There should be a requirement to ban someone:
The banned player ought have right to discern of the reason of his ban:
The moderator must show the banned player via Email/forum/other, the reason of his ban and present valid evidence to warrant the actions taken.

This could let players have a thorough understanding of the process for his personal ban, and fix the problem of moderation abuse.


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#2 2017-03-19 10:46:33

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Re: The oxymoron banning-rules of Everybody Edits

The reason it is this way is because normal players are likely to exaggerate or make up things (like you have seemed to do about dream), while mods are more likely to be trustworthy (one of the main reasons they are picked to be mods)
This means that it's more like moderators are correct until proven incorrect, and normal players are incorrect until proven correct (at least for big things like banning people)
If you forced mods to give evidence, it would just make them worse at their job, because then they would have to spend all their time taking screenshots, instead of actually moderating the game.

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#3 2017-03-19 17:03:19

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Re: The oxymoron banning-rules of Everybody Edits

Minisaurus wrote:

The moderator must show the banned player via Email/forum/other, the reason of his ban and present valid evidence to warrant the actions taken.

I thought about this the other day.

When people are banned from the game, they usually won't know they done that got them banned. They get a message saying "Don't do X" but they don't know what specifically got them banned.

On the forums, you get linked to the post which got you warned. You can see exactly what got you the warning.


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#4 2017-03-19 17:23:47

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Re: The oxymoron banning-rules of Everybody Edits

The player could probably be sent the chatlog from the report that got them banned right? If they get that and a reason from a mod then I think it should be pretty obvious why you got banned.


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#5 2017-03-19 20:08:24

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Re: The oxymoron banning-rules of Everybody Edits

evilbunny wrote:

pretty obvious why you got banned.

Not obvious, Verified.
The implemented ban method does not provide any evidence to warrant the action taken.
It does not warrant that the banned user has culpability of the allegation, opening the possibility of a false accusation.


destroyer123 wrote:

it would just make them worse at their job, because then they would have to spend all their time taking screenshots, instead of actually moderating the game.

A moderator must be capable to successfully perform the functions of his role, including being dedicated to the users, providing a reliable and effective ban information system with valid evidence to warrant the actions taken.

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#6 2017-03-19 21:34:56

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Re: The oxymoron banning-rules of Everybody Edits

Mars wrote:

The actual ban method does not provide any valid evidence to warrant that the action taken are justified by any corroborated responsibility of the banned user.

English please?

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#7 2017-03-19 21:54:32

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Re: The oxymoron banning-rules of Everybody Edits

MrJaWapa wrote:
Mars wrote:

The actual ban method does not provide any valid evidence to warrant that the action taken are justified by any corroborated responsibility of the banned user.

English please?

stop tried to be funny


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#8 2017-03-19 21:58:18

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Re: The oxymoron banning-rules of Everybody Edits

Mysterion wrote:
MrJaWapa wrote:
Mars wrote:

The actual ban method does not provide any valid evidence to warrant that the action taken are justified by any corroborated responsibility of the banned user.

English please?

stop tried to be funny

I genuinely can't understand what Mars means.

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#9 2017-03-19 23:34:18

destroyer123
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Re: The oxymoron banning-rules of Everybody Edits

N1KF wrote:
Mysterion wrote

I genuinely can't understand what Mars means.

He means that just the current system for banning doesn't provide any evidence for why they should be banned

I don't think it should need to though, because the mods should be trusted to have a valid reason (that's the reason they are mods in the first place), and generally, you should know when you break the rules, it's pretty obvious. If you mean, however, that you've done a lot of things that could warrant a ban, and don't know specifically which one you're being banned for... Then it's your own fault.

A second reason is that reasons for bans often require a lot of context, and may be spread across multiple days, and multiple worlds, which would make it practically impossible to get all this information to the banned player without ending up with a system where you need to write an essay every time you want to ban a player, which would make it next to impossible for the mods to actually moderate the game.

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